Message 751 From: Paul Adams
Date: Sun Dec 18, 2005 2:31 pm Subject: [FreezoneOrg]Int base photos There's a story today in the LA Times about Tom Cruise and the Int base. There are some fresh photos of the base and inside Gold too (top right of the screen, click on the gallery). I don't know how long the whole thing will be available online, so look now just in case. http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-scientology18dec18,0,2963052.story?coll=la\ -home-headlines Paul
Message 752 From: "Paul Adams"
Date: Sun Dec 18, 2005 3:22 pm Subject: [FreezoneOrg]Re: Int base photos --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com XXXX wrote: > > Cruise heaps praise on Miscavige... > ... > Oh My God, David is using hypnosis on Tom or has subjected him > to implants or Tom has rehearsed what to say under threat or he is > just plain gullible. David matches up to LRH! --- excuse me but I > need to go have an OT Leadership Repair before I lose it! Of those options, I would have to go with gullible. I think it would be hard to get that result via blackmail. Silence yes; enthusiastic support, no. As for implants, it's more fun to wonder about Katie. Paul
Message 753 From: "Paul Adams"
Date: Thu Feb 2, 2006 6:11 am Subject: [FreezoneOrg]Paul's moved to UK Hi guys, I've moved back to England. I'm currently visiting family in Newcastle in the Northeast, probably for a couple of months. I expect to be moving southwards--London area most likely--in the Spring. If there are any FZers up here you are always welcome to e-mail me at fzglobalguy at yahoo.com and we could meet for a chat and stuff. Paul http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal
Message 754 From: "Paul Adams"
Date: Sat Feb 4, 2006 7:00 am Subject: [FreezoneOrg]Re: communication XXXX, One way to cut a communication line is to flood it. Example: I am reading the posts to this list on limited time in a public library. I now don't read *any* of your posts, although I read the others. I am replying here because of the heading. I didn't read the body of this post either. I don't know if you are posting gems or garbage now. I think of you as crazy, not because you have demonstrated that you actually are, but because you are inconsiderately flooding this list with your comments. Some may be worthwhile, but I will never know as I don't have the time to sort the wheat from the chaff. You might wish to reconsider your posting strategy. Paul
Message 755 From: "Paul Adams"
Date: Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:02 am Subject: [FreezoneOrg]Re: Paul's moved to UK --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com XXXX wrote: > > > Hi Paul, > Sorry I'm a bit late. Really busy. > > "Mark Robson" > > This is the contact Addy for one of the guys in > newcastle. Hi bb, I'm still using the library and don't get there every day, hence delays to responses my end too. Yahoo truncates e-mail addresses inserted into posts. They have to be written out differently in order to be viewed in toto, like hunkyguy at hotmale.com and not hunkyguy@... and so I haven't received the e-mail address you tried to send me above. In case anyone went blank, "in toto" means "in full", more or less. On the comm-flood problem, the answer is to make nothing of him. In other words, he becomes a non-person and no-one mentions his name again. Not one single mention by anyone. All of his previous posts and any future posts should be deleted from the archives by a moderator as soon as they are spotted. NO-ONE COMMS TO HIM from this list. One cannot prevent idiots from comming to him privately, but one can at least stop people from hitting reply to a post from him in the archives by having NO posts from him in the archives. I don't know what he has been saying, as I have just deleted everything from him without glancing at more than the sender. But I have been getting cc's of messages to him, which is validating the insanity. Cut the comm to him TOTALLY and he will go off and annoy others who will react to him. If no one here does anything other than cut comm with him he will go away, but not necessarily immediately. This happened once on Mike's Freezone America board. I gave the same handling and hardly anyone was able to stop reacting to some idiot's posts, and the hassle just went on and on and on and I eventually left the board in disgust. I suspect that some people here will be unable to stop themselves reacting to him too. But that is the handling. Just cut his entheta lines and don't be fooled by an occasional apparently theta comm. Gotta go. Paul http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal > > You have any ideas how I can stop XXXX posting? > He's unsubscribed and still posts. Its sort of similar > to the spamming of ARS. > > Eventually found a way to communicate to yahoo on > this. Not sure what will happen. If its a real person > or a higher grade robot. :) > > bb
Message 756 From: "Paul Adams"
Date: Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:11 pm Subject: [FreezoneOrg]Re: Paul's moved to UK --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Adams" wrote: > > Hi guys, > > I've moved back to England. I'm currently visiting family in > Newcastle in the Northeast, probably for a couple of months. > I expect to be moving southwards--London area most likely-- > in the Spring. My plans have changed. There is a growing FZ scene happening in North East England, and I intend staying around up here for the time being. There is a group that is meeting in Newcastle twice a week. There is a Book One session just ended downstairs while I'm typing this on a friend's Internet connection. Three days ago there were three Book One sessions given. One by a Pro TRs course grad who had never audited anyone before on anything; one by another Pro TRs grad who last audited Book One several years ago; one by a Book One auditor created last week who had been on CofS lines for years but never ever got into session with them, either as an auditor or as a pc. Something about they never had any auditors at Sunderland Org so he never got any auditing. In case anyone is worried, it's just regular Book One, using the second half (excluding the stuff about the dynamics and starting at the bit about the Analytical Mind) of the CofS Book One video for rudimentary training material. I will respond to private e-mails but don't have enough Internet time to read any groups for now, or even to update my web site. Paul http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal
Message 757 From: Paul Adams
Date: Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:36 am Subject: [FreezoneOrg][...][R3X]Success Story [...] Here is a recent success story. You may publish it on the Net as usual, bb. John explicitly gave his contact information for broad publication on the Internet with his success story. Success Story 12 March 2006 pc: John Magnus Auditor: Paul Adams I have had several sessions now with Paul and I can only explain what is happening to me from my viewpoint. The reason I am saying this is that I'm not sure if everyone will understand the fantastic effect this processing has. The idea of having absolutely huge amounts of mass--that I was happy to hold onto and was not aware of holding onto--disappear, and be replaced with the most fantatic feeling of calmness, pure energy and relief. To have such a feeling of being able to hold your breath indefinitely, by being sustained by the inflow of pure theta energy. I have never experienced this amount of charge going off ever. This is a fantastic new experience that I would like to see others having too. It's just too much to put into words. If anyone would like to contact me directly, please do so with my full backing. Look forward to hearing from you. John 18 Stanstead Close Fulford Grange Castletown Sunderland SR5 3DH Tel: 0191 549 9461 OK to publish. ************************* Paul http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal
Message 758 From: "Paul Adams"
Date: Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:41 pm Subject: Re: FZ delivery points --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com XXXX wrote: > > And I'm very happy to announce that Mark, Paul and friends formed a > new Dianetics co-audit group in UK, Newcastle (no connections to the > new Rons Org at London). Already around 6 people are co-auditing Book > 1 Dianetics, and some of them started to train toward becoming an > auditor. > Contact Mark, the leader of the group at roppa_uk@... for more > info. A couple of weeks before I arrived in Newcastle around Jan 28, some people had been getting together at Mark's place on Tuesday evenings, and chatting. I heard about these guys in the middle of February and came along to a Tuesday meeting. I chatted for a bit, then arranged for some auditing to occur as none had been. I got some agreement on adding in a Saturday meeting, pushed in the direction of auditing occurring, and soon there was auditing going on. There has been auditing going on twice a week in this group since then. Mark is auditing Barry downstairs as I type this. I have audited two other people up here, not on Book 1. Three days ago I posted a success story as a Freezone North East one, but it is not really a Group one, but from some auditing I did separately. Last night Mark called me and said that this Group is under FZAOINT. Which was the first I had heard of it. Then I checked into this list, which I haven't been reading much at all with my limited time online, and saw this announcement from Scio5. I've just been doing my own thing here. My actions were not done as part of FZAOINT. I am not under the umbrella of FZAOINT. I am not part of any FZ organization, except loosely as a member of a few e- mail lists, such as this one and even the FZAOINT one, although I don't post there much. With regard to this little group in Newcastle, we'll have to see what appears once the dust has settled! [Mar 30, 2006 note: I got the boot.] Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal
Message 759 From: "Paul Adams"
Date: April 13, 2006 3:15 am Subject: [freezoneaoint]Re: Who knows about wikipedia.org ? There is also Scienowiki, a wiki entirely about Scientology. It uses the same software as Wikipedia, so if you know how to edit a page on Wikipedia you can edit a page on Scienowiki. Scienowiki is much more user-friendly to Scientologists than Wikipedia, as it is being written entirely by Scientologists (Freezoners only, as far as I can tell). Mostly by me, actually. But it is a public wiki--I don't own it. My original intention was for it to be a resource for all Scientologists, not just Freezoners, even if churchies would have a rough time contributing to a site that is not controlled by the CofS. http://scientology.wikia.com/wiki/Ralph_Hilton is a basic entry for a well-known FZ practitioner. It needs filling out. There are entries for each CofS org as well as some FZ practitioners. It is at http://scientology.wikia.com or you can reach it from http://www.scienowiki.org. Paul Adams http://www.fzglobal.org On 4/8/06, XXXX wrote: > > It's pretty neat to see that there's a free zone entry at wikipedia.
Message 760 From: "Paul Adams"
Date: April 26, 2006 3:13 am Subject: [FreezoneOrg] Re: RTC loses another trademark! Time for an update. Yes, they lost another couple, #179 and #196 on my chart at http://www.fzglobal.org/trademarks.htm #179 was a Scientology cross, possibly covered by other marks still extant. But #196 was the Sea Org symbol for training, as mentioned below. There are another five than have expired without renewal, and are just waiting for the US Patent and Trademark Office to complete the admin and fully cancel them. They are marked orange in my chart. These five include FEBC, OEC and SHSBC, and are the sole word marks for those terms. If anyone has my site bookmarked, please ensure you have http://www.fzglobal.org and not the old Freewebs fzglobal address. The old Freewebs one is still up, but I am hosting the www.fzglobal.org one elsewhere and am adding to that one, not the Freewebs one. I still don't have much time online and am not reading much of what is posted to the groups, including Freezone Org, although I will respond to (most) e-mails. Paul http://www.fzglobal.org
Message 761 From: "Paul Adams"
Date: June 8, 2006 3:16 am Subject: [FreezoneOrg] Running NOTs on a Clear? Hi guys, I've been having a recent discussion with someone about, "Running basic NOTs on a clear, exterior being, perceiving entities and other beings." (Their words, not mine). It's not something I have done, or plan to. My view was that yes, it might have worked, but it would not be considered "standard tech" on this list and in the CofS you would likely get declared for it. My correspondent is insisting that it follows basic LRH tech and is perfectly acceptable. Any comments? Paul http://www.fzglobal.org
Message 762 From: "Paul Adams"
Date: June 8, 2006 3:26 am Subject: [FreezoneOrg] Double Standard Tech "Double standard tech" is a contraction of "double standard" and "standard tech". It's when Tech Terminal Joe does some tech based on particular basic LRH references and says it is "Standard Tech", but when Tech Terminal Sally does some tech based on specific basic LRH references that Joe disagrees with, it is branded by Joe as "non-standard". And vice versa. It probably happens more in the FZ than in the CofS, but an example in the CofS would be on how Book 1 is run "standardly" currently. No-one runs Book 1 like in 1950, with the couch, TRs abandoned etc. Paul http://www.fzglobal.org
Message 763 From: "Paul Adams"
Date: Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:35 am Subject: [FZGlobal] Still alive and kicking I see that nothing much has been posted here since last July. Here is a brief update. On my main site, now at http://www.fzglobal.org, is a long write-up on my adventures with the two versions of "Super Power" available online. I have no idea how closely they resemble what the CofS delivers as Super Power. Or doesn't deliver, to be more accurate. There is also a comprehensive write-up on what I call "R3X Trio". I haven't done much auditing for a month. I got too interested in life! I seem to remember LRH talking about that. Wasn't it in the LRH ED "From Clear to Eternity"? I thought it was just PR at the time, but not so now. After some particularly effective R3X Trio, I got very active all of a sudden. Strange, that. For what it's worth, I think both those items are extremely useful. Paul
Message 765 [FreezoneOrg]Re: re e. meter Message List Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:14 pm --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com, XXXX wrote: > Uh-oh....the Ability meter maker must be feeling the intention. I only > wrote to him 2 days ago - and here is his response:
I'm popping down to the South of England soon for a brief visit and my host has apparently arranged a meeting with Barry Penberthy and an Ability meter (or more than one) among other delights. So, if anyone has any relevant questions, let me know and I will do my best to find out the answers. Paul http://www.fzglobal.org
Message 766 [FreezoneOrg]Re: re e. meter Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:23 am Has anyone here used a Stalker meter? Here's a link: http://www.geocities.com/az_org/stalker.htm I heard it was good, but the dial was slightly small. I have no personal experience of it. It is relatively cheap as meters go. Paul http://www.fzglobal.org --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com, XXXX wrote: > > Hi All, > > I am looking to buy a mark v e.meter, second hand if possible. Or an ability e. meter, or clarity e.meter. I would appreciate if someone here could advise me, where to buy one from someone in the UK. I live in Scotland. Many Thanks. > > Much ARC from XXXX
Message 767 [FreezoneOrg]Re: Met some old friends in London. Thu Jul 6, 2006 4:26 pm --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com, basic basic
wrote: > > Had a great weekend! Met two friends I've known via > net and phone for years. Nancy and Paul came to > London. > Was great to meet and chat. :) Yes indeed. > ...Currently [SH] is kept in pristine condition. > The extensive grounds in immaculate condition. The castle > covered in ivy. Bad for bricks but georgeous! My thoughts entirely. > Interacted with a few people. As is usual with > scientologists, very friendly. One took our picture in > front of the castle. Copyright holder in agreement > this can be posted to our yahoo forum website. Sure. I didn't see an "Upload Photo" button in the photos section. Did you turn it off, bb? I put that SH photo and one of the three of us in a restaurant on my FZ website at http://www.fzglobal.org/pix.htm and you are welcome to copy from there. I have a few photos of the front lawn at SH and more of the ivy decorating the castle, but haven't put them up yet. Paul Feed Scienowiki at http://www.scienowiki.org
Message 768 [FreezoneOrg]Re: Objective Comparative Grades Chart? Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:36 pm --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com, XXXX wrote: > > Paul Adams once did up a chart of various freezone practioners and > FZ "Scientology therapies". He is sometimes on this forum so you may > want to ask him for a link to his work. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach him to Google and he won't bother you for weeks. Or something. Good memory, Chris. I never finished the chart. At the time I was new to the FZ and not familiar with the different practices. And by the time I had grown familiar with them to some extent I had lost interest in completing the chart. But if anyone wants to help fill it out, what I have done so far is at http://www.fzglobal.org/comparison.htm Paul Feed Scienowiki at http://www.scienowiki.org
Message 769 [FreezoneOrg]Re: New Solo Can Dividers Sat Aug 5, 2006 10:59 am What we used to do in the AO at Saint Hill (UK) before they made the fancy plastic things with the little ridges that broke off was to get a cardboard file folder, and cut it so that it is just a little bit wider than the length of two cans. Then roll it up and put it inside the two cans. If you get the length right, and don't skimp in the amount of cardboard, it will hold the cans 1/8" apart or whatever distance you choose. Easy to make from stuff you have lying around and it doesn't cost $6. Paul http://www.fzglobal.org --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com, XXXX wrote: > I have had several requests for replacement Solo Can Dividers... > Is there a NEED for these?
Message 770 [FreezoneOrg]Free Online Robot Auditor Sat Aug 5, 2006 10:30 am Can't you just feel all the ridges at that subject line? It is at http://www.fzglobal.org/robot or http://www.fzglobal.org/robot.htm I am very proud of it, even in its current rudimentary form. I never did agree with the CofS's operating policy, often dramatised in the field, of "No auditing is better than any auditing". My Robot Auditor is not really something I would expect to be discussed here. In case you can't think of enough objections, I will write some out for you, my usual straw man approach: 1. The whole idea is completely off the wall and why bother to read any further or even comment? 2. LRH said only a live being can act as an auditor. This violates the Basic Auditing Series in spades. 3. Oh heavens! Why isn't he using a standard process like Self Analysis? He's even squirreled the squirrel process he's using! 4. In this newsgroup we don't talk about things that are non-standard, whatever that means, except to put them in their place and position ourselves properly in the minds of possible paying customers. 5. People should just do the standard thing and if they want auditing go to a proper auditor. If they can't manage that, they can audit themselves from Self Analysis or Handbook for Preclears. 6. It's not really a robot auditor at all. Anyone could put together something like that, but why would anyone want to? 7. He is not doing the proper handling for anaten per HCOB 3 May 1962. 8. Havingness is not being run per 1978 Model Session. 9. All that pre-session stuff...fresh water? That's not LRH. 10. He doesn't even read this newsgroup properly any more. Did I miss anything important? It works very well indeed, by the way, but that is irrelevant of course. I don't expect more than a handful of brave people here to try it out, if that. No auditing is better than any auditing, right? :) Paul http://www.fzglobal.org
Message 771 [FreezoneOrg]Re: Free Online Robot Auditor Mon Aug 7, 2006 11:16 am --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com, XXXX wrote: > > My win ; > I could have had alot of control over this childhood incident after > all ! I can have control,of this incident, and maybe, of anything ! r. > Excellent. Thank you for posting this, XXXX Paul Free Robot Auditor at http://www.fzglobal.org/robot
Message 772 [FreezoneOrg]Re: Free Online Robot Auditor Mon Aug 7, 2006 11:54 am --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com, XXXX wrote: > > Here's a question not posited below, Paul. What was your purpose in > creating "You, Robot"? Other than pushing buttons, that is, unless, > of course, that *was* the main reason. Lol. But just wondering what > you hoped to achieve with this. > > Chris > > P.S. I did go through it, in case you wonder. Hi Chris, What I hope to achieve with this is for people to have case gain that they would not otherwise have achieved. For example, here's an e-mail I just received from a slow and thorough non-Scn friend in LA that I did give a session to once: "Thanks much for the roboditor on your website. I tried it out, noticing it was much like the one you walked me through long ago via phone. I addressed my issue re moving to another living place. Very strong stuff, effective process you have created there. Hour 45 minutes I was weary and stopped, yet much of energy was processed, I think. "Thanks again, Paul! Good Work!" I am not asserting that the Paul Adams Robot Auditor (PARA- Scientology?!!) will replace all other auditing. I am not saying that it is a kind of UCP-type one-size-fits-all solution. But I think that having it available is more pro-survival than not having it available. As in add up all the case gain from using it, and subtract any case disturbance from using it, and I think the result will be way up on the plus side. I didn't create it for the purpose of pushing buttons. While I am not averse to pushing buttons, as you know, I'm not going to go to that amount of trouble just to do so. A remark or two in a posting is about my limit on that. A further comment here on something that may have been taken in the wrong light, not necessarily by you. I made a comment about positioning oneself properly in the minds of possible paying customers. In my opinion, doing so is sound business sense. All one's postings add up to creating a certain position in the reader's mind, whether intentional or not. Someone who just posts unthinking dribble most of the time ends up with a dribble position, whether that was planned or not. And you really did try it out? Not just read through the screens, but you found something charged to address and addressed it using the techniques as written? I find it hard to believe that you would jeopardize your standard-tech position by admitting to doing that. If you did honestly try it out, what was the result? Did it work on you or did it not? Paul Free Robot Auditor at http://www.fzglobal.org/robot
Message 773 [FreezoneOrg]Re: Free Online Robot Auditor Mon Aug 7, 2006 12:08 pm --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com, XXXX wrote: > Hi Paul, > > I tried it out and think it could be useful. I wasn't able to find > any charged track - but then again I tend to as-is life as I live it > - so am probably not a good test subject. > > I intend letting some of my family try it out and will inform you accordingly. Hi XXXX, Thank you. > I'm wondering, though, whether a Self analysis list may be addressed > in the fashion you have set up? I like the way you get a "cyber pc" > to look for an upset/charge and then handle with mock up processing. > What will they be called CYB-PC's :) I don't see why in theory one couldn't automate a solo Self Analysis session. One wouldn't really be changing any of the existing tech, so less people would squawk about it, if that is a concern. But my coding isn't up to doing that, as one would have to dynamically create web pages on the fly. Plus it's a little pedestrian for my tastes, and I would never do it. Plus it's a copyright violation. > Wasn't the original SA list mock up processing? I have heard that the > original was changed because someone other than the Church owned the copyright. Yes, it was. I don't know about the copyright. Google would probably know. Interesting reference on mock-up processing in the SHSBC tape "Level 7", where the man says he cancelled it because it didn't work on one percent of cases. I would think that a process that worked on 99% of cases would be fantastic, especially considering 2 1/2 percent are supposed to be SP. > I have an idea you are going to step on some, diehard, conservative > toes? Me? Step on toes? >And that I have done so as well now.:) Yup. A dangerous thing, personal integrity, where you dare to say what you think and what you have personally observed. Paul Free auditing at http://www.fzglobal.org/robot
Message 774 [FreezoneOrg]Re: Free Online Robot Auditor Tue Aug 8, 2006 3:14 pm --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com, XXXX wrote: > ....Plus, while this may be alright for > non-scnsts or beginning pcs, anyone with sense and somewhere on the > Bridge would consult a C/S to get properly directed advice. Unless > you feel or think that that is an unnecessary function? Hi XXXX, Thanks for clearing that up. Do I think a C/S is unnecessary? For someone in the position, however they got there, of wanting to go it alone and try something new, of course I do. What working C/S is going to write a C/S that goes: "1. Fly a rud if no F/N. 2. Paul's Robot Auditor"? The choosing of a subject to audit could be considered C/Sing in the chair, but not unbearably so. There is certainly no latitude on how to run the process, or allowance made for the possibility of dropping a charged subject before it is handled. In general Scn auditing, solo and dual, one needs a C/S. Paul http://www.fzglobal.org/robot
Message 775 [FreezoneOrg]Re: Free Online Robot Auditor Tue Aug 8, 2006 3:27 pm --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com, XXXX wrote: > > ... What > level of case manifestations will it or won't it handle? Where would > a user go from there? ...and so on. Hey XXXX, I have no idea what it will or won't handle. After collecting a bunch of write-ups from others, I will have more data. It would seem to be a workable as a Div 6 tool, but I would hate to restrict it to Intro level only. Someone I ran on a similar procedure for less than an hour said it had cleared up his past CofS auditing that had been a real pain in the butt for years. I ran the procedure detailed solo for about 40 hours, thirty or so on the R2-60 items. Most of them took about 30-45 minutes to discharge each, once they had been stirred up a bit. I'm experimenting with other things. If I come up with anything useful to report, I will do so. Where to go from there? It's up to, er, the C/S. Paul http://www.fzglobal.org/robot
Message 776 [FreezoneOrg]Re: Free Online Robot Auditor Tue Aug 8, 2006 3:29 pm --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com, XXXX wrote: > Hey Paul, > > I've been looking for someone with whom to co-audit for months now, - > and I am glad for ANY auditing..... I'm going to give it a try... Good > job coming up with the idea. > > XXXX Go for it, XXXX! Nice to see someone who doesn't believe that no auditing is better than any auditing. Paul http://www.fzglobal.org/robot
Message 777 [FreezoneOrg]Robot Auditor Now With Audio Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:55 pm I added an audio version. It can be reached the same way as with the text version, with the link to the new version at the bottom of the "Else?" page just before the session starts. http://www.fzglobal.org/robot It will be at least six months before it makes you coffee in the morning and does your shopping, but I will continue to tweak it. The more useful feedback I get from other users, the more useful it will be.... I haven't been online for a couple of days and Yahoo messages are not available to be read right now, so I've been out of touch a bit. Have fun! Paul No auditing? Free Robot Auditor with audio http://www.fzglobal.org/robot
Message 778 [FreezoneOrg]Re: Free Online Robot Auditor Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:54 am --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com, XXXX wrote: > >... This is taking the Thetan element out of the picture as regards > an Auditor and making it mechanized. You can't take the Thetan out > of the picture as the Auditor or you have something very different > than what we are about here. Self Analysis done by the lone reader is not self-auditing. It is the author (LRH) auditing the pc. That's what the man says in the book. It is a point of view. Another one is that it is solo auditing, done without a session-by-session C/S although with an overall programme of doing the lists by the book. Whatever you want to call it, it is auditing done by one live person without the presence of another live person. It works quite well with some, though not all. Per the usual theory, one needs another terminal and a comm line to that terminal. With a terminal and comm line and a few other simple factors, one can get the desired energy discharge. How does it work with Self Analysis? I am not attempting to fully answer that question. One thing I have found is that it is very therapeutic to write things down, such as by posting messages to an e-mail group. Or just keeping a private journal for oneself, with no thought of even showing it to another. This is not a new observation. There have been many explanations as to why it is therapeutic to put ones thoughts on paper instead of just keeping them in the usual place one keeps thoughts. I've used the procedure incorporated in it for about 40 hours of auditing, but I have used Paul's Robot Auditor itself twice now. Once the text version, and once the talking version (they're both online). I found it works very well. Part of what is therapeutic is writing things down on the worksheets as they come up. For me, it provides the comm line and second terminal. The session last night was actually better than it would have been without the computer on, because I was about to Q&A with a cognition instead of following my regular procedure, and the program wouldn't let me. Doing it "properly" resulted in a better win for me than ending the session early. Anyway, I hope this clarifies to some extent how come it works without a second live person present. Paul No auditing? Paul's Robot Auditor is freely available: http://www.fzglobal.org/robot
Message 779 [FreezoneOrg]Re: Free Online Robot Auditor Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:14 am --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com, XXXX wrote: > I don't run scared and shy away from innovative ideas, but remember what you do carries the responsibility of how it affects others with it. Some people who find your Robot site might be on the edge already. You have no way of knowing and no way of helping them out if they flip on something. I did consider that before I put it online, Sharon. But as I said to Chris, if you add up all the case gain obtained with it that would not otherwise have been achieved, then subtract off the case disturbance, I think the overall result after it has been going for a while will be hugely positive. Some people get caved in by getting up in the morning. The best way of never causing any bad effects is to do nothing whatsoever. Paul No auditing? Try http://www.fzglobal.org/robot
Message 780 [FreezoneOrg]Re: Free Online Robot Auditor Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:28 am --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com, XXXX wrote: > > Why should tech not be available to all? This needs to be developed > furthur. Thank you for your support, XXXX. An improved version is already online, with sound and some graphics. I will be doing more work on it. It is not in its final form, nowhere near it, although it is workable as-is. It works with Internet Explorer; not sure about other browsers. It's OK if people complain. At least they're alive! I do note the objections and consider their possible validity. In response to the complaint of using the word "auditor" I could not find an acceptable alternative. I didn't use the name blindly. The name is set as "Paul's Robot Auditor". Paul, appearing by kind permission of Paul's Robot Auditor :) http://www.fzglobal.org/robot
Message 781 [FreezoneOrg]Paul's Robot Auditor: Tech FAQ, Part One of Two Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:04 pm Yahoo Groups is not accessible to me today, so I am not responding to any recent comment. Here is part 1 of 2 from the Robot Auditor Tech FAQ on my main website. This is not linked from the Robot pages. Tech FAQ: > This is ridiculous! How can auditing occur without a live > being doing it? > The pc is a live being. Self Analysis done solo, just book and pc, often works. Shouting at the wall, punching the sofa, or writing something out in a letter or e-mail or journal is often a sufficient set-up to get charge off. Even praying. Look at your own experience to find an example. The procedure here demands the use of worksheets to write down one's reactions, realizations etc. > Is this all theoretical? > No, it works in practice too. Have a friend or relative try it out. > Why call it an "Auditor". This isn't auditing. > Isn't it? Look at all the definitions in the Tech Dictionary. True, a machine isn't going to "listen". But as a pc, does it feel like--and get results that could have come from--a regular auditing session? That would seem to be the acid test. > The processes you use are weird. Where do they fit on the > standard grade chart? > They are based on ones from the 50s. They are audited off the meter. They could be looked on as Div 6 Intro processes, like the regular ones in the pack of "Introductory and Demonstration Processes and Assists". > Can you explain what you think is going on with your > procedure? > One can approach it with a pre-formed C/S, like "Run the R2-60 items (hidden sex etc.). Take each one in turn, stir it up for a few minutes, then see if it runs. If so, run it, and if not drop it and go on to the next one." That has been pretty workable, but only with items that are mostly charged, as the assessment to see if an item is charged takes maybe three minutes. If you have a list of items where only one in ten is charged, the assessment procedure is too long, and the signal/noise ratio in the session results in too much protest. I will probably pilot out a general list of items to check. The alternate approach, the one built in to the current system, is to start the session with an open mind, and go with a "flash answer" type assessment of what to run, on the premise that the file clerk mechanism will toss up a runnable item. So one gets a flash answer of "mother", or "my auditing with Krinkle", say. As a method of assessment, a way to choose what to run, it seems to work quite well. An analytical interest-based approach, like "Hi! How are you doing? What do you want to run today?" doesn't seem as workable, especially with a totally untrained pc. Finding items by using a trained auditor with a meter would be preferable, but the whole point of Paul's Robot Auditor is that it is free, is available 24/7 anywhere on the planet where's there's Microsoft, can potentially speak any language, and is a close substitute for having a trained auditor there. The next question in the procedure is another flash answer one, to narrow the target a bit. This is mid-tweak at the time of this writing. There are four processes that take charge off, and so far they seem to run in the ratios of approximately 1:9:9:1. Charge off is determined only by physical discharge, such as yawns, sighs, tears. I am not going to get into whether this is a valid indicator or not. It seems to work well. Such a method of determining charge off is crucial here, as per the Auditors Code one only runs a process that will release or is releasing charge, and once started one has to continue with it until the releasing of charge flattens out, at which point one stops running the process. Having a robot make those decisions is impossible without some kind of indicator, readily visible to a completely untrained person, like "Yes--there was a yawn/sigh" or "No--there wasn't a yawn/sigh." 1. Itsa. The pc writes down the main persons, events, and included factors such as efforts/emotions/thoughts. A new pc is likely to get more charge off on this step than an old hand who has already had a lot of grades auditing, but as well as prompting immediate itsa/discharge this step functions to restimulate the area thoroughly so it can be addressed with a process that bites deeper than itsa. 2. Objective Havingness. The pc firmly touches things, his body, the chair, table etc. This is mainly done as the remedy for anaten turning on, which will turn on a lot if the procedure is followed correctly. If the pc doesn't urgently run objective hav like this, he can rapidly become too anaten to continue. If he follows the procedure, he will get off yawns and sighs and after two or twenty such discharges he will be able to continue, no longer with that anaten turning on. In other words, he will have successfully taken a bunch of charge off the subject he is running. 3. Mock-up or Creative Processing, "Put it above you" etc. Again, this is run in such a way as to take charge off the subject, as shown by a yawn or sigh etc. I assume that what is mainly happening is that the pc is taking over automaticies, controlling mental image pictures by moving them around in space at will instead of them controlling him below his awareness. LRH cancelled creative processing in HCOB 11 Feb 1960, Create and Confront. Quote: "When a pc over-creates he accumulates the unconfronted debris. All you have to do to restimulate debris (stiffen up the bank) is to run the pc on some version of create process." The very next sentence gives the remedy, namely "Havingness is a confront process and straightens out the create factor." This is what I am using in step 2 above. In the 23 Feb 65 SHSBC tape, Level VII, LRH says that Creative Processing ran fine on maybe 99 people and didn't run fine on the 100th, so he cancelled it. My standards aren't as high as that. In my opinion, a 99% success rate is very acceptable, especially compared with a 0% success rate if you don't run anything! That tape also goes into the theory of what is happening in creative processing and why it works, in the 99% of cases where it does work. 4. Time-Shifting. This is basically more creative processing. I separated it out as I found it much more difficult to move all the mock-ups together in time than in space, and the procedure takes this into account. It takes off charge that shifting mock-ups in space doesn't. ...end of part one Paul Paul's Robot Auditor: Free Intro Auditing 24/7 http://www.fzglobal.org/robot
Message 784 [FreezoneOrg]Paul's Robot Auditor: Tech FAQ, Part Two of Two Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:17 pm From the Robot Tech FAQ on my website. This is not directly available from the Robot Pages (i.e. this isn't a Div 6 FAQ). Part two of two. > How does this approach fit into the normal scheme of > things? > You could consider it a Div 6 tool, a way to get a result on a new person if you don't have a better one available. > But if I send a prospect/friend/relative here, aren't I > taking them off the bridge? Are you just going to run > this weird stuff on them forever, maybe channeling them > into your own private practice? > The screen after the end-of-session one includes a form for comments. The assumption is that if someone has a win using Paul's Robot Auditor, they will at least make some comment about it. The screen acknowledging the comment says they can come back and use the Robot whenever they want. If they want more data, to contact like-minded people, or to find out what else is available, then they are directed to Google terms like "Freezone" and "Scientology", and/or to e-mail bb (Terril Park). And to contact whoever referred them. > So why aren't you channeling them all to your private > practice, or maybe to Robert's? > What am I, or he, going to do with a million pcs wanting auditing or training, in English or Russian or Mandarin or Urdu? It would be very short-sighted to be selfish about this. > A MILLION? Surely you're joking? > Why? Think about it. What if it really did work as I am saying? > But if even one percent of a million pcs want to go on to > a standard bridge, or get their Int corrected, or their > out-list handled from that initial "What subject?" > question, or an L1C prefixed "In your Robot auditing...", > that is TEN THOUSAND pcs needing to be taken care of?!! > Mmm, yes. > Can I download this onto my own computer? You don't have > copyright notices on each page, and you said it's > free.... > I decided it would be a distraction to have copyright notices on the session pages. You will notice them on the other pages. I can't stop you copying the pages, but I would prefer that you didn't right now. I am upgrading this all the time, and it would be better if you waited for a later version. I will make it available for simple download as a zip file when I consider it ready. Also, by running it from my site at http://www.fzglobal.org/robot, I can see how many people are accessing it. And so can you. On it being "free", it will be free like shareware, not free like freeware. A fully functional copy will be available at no charge. It won't disable itself after 30 days. I will ask for, but not demand, a fair exchange. > What if they want to do the Bridge in the CofS? What do > you think will happen then? > I expect the first ones will be denied auditing by Ethics. After a few dozen are turned away, RTC will reluctantly introduce a "Robot Auditing Repair Program" (C/S 53LF, Questionable Auditor Repair List, Sec Check etc.) based on a hitherto-unknown LRH advice, and then start happily taking their money and feeding them into the hopper. I doubt if the CofS will pay a ten percent FSM Commission to the original auditor. > Isn't it irresponsible to make available a tool like > this? What if someone caves in after using it? Or > commits suicide? Have you fully tested it? > Like a ten-year study by a reputable institution involving hundreds of people? Yeah, right. Life is dangerous, in some places more than others. You can cave in after an argument, or die crossing the road. Someone who is mentally unstable might commit suicide right after reading the Bible. Should the Bible then be banned, especially in some new electronic version? Yeah, yeah, straw man. The valid question is, Is the world better off overall with this Robot Auditor technology available and in use, or worse off? > Couldn't you have made this Robot Auditor thingy with > 2005 processes instead of 1955 ones? > Not really. Self Analysis or Handbook for Preclears could be put into such a form, although not easily. Plus there would be copyright issues. But a Grades/NED Robot Auditor? That would be impossible to my current way of thinking. One reason--among many--is that it would be impossible to be certain about instant reads, such as when clearing a command, or on a pc origination. Book One? The main difficulty with that one, as with any solo Dianetics, is the pc going anaten. Objectives? Impossible to verify that the pc has executed the command unless you change the command to "Click Here". Plus, again, no handling for pc going anaten. CC or OT2 with a C-meter and the pc holding solo cans? Probably, since these are solo levels anyway. A robot would just help with the admin, rather than making any decisions. OT3? To some extent, yes. The solo auditor would have to punch in what is happening, and a screen would come up showing the various options, like the five reasons for failure to ..., and the solo auditor could check them, but this would just be a fancy cue card system rather than an "auditor". How about a simple repair, like an L1C, say? Pc holding solo cans. Robot calls off items, only acts on instant reads from lines given by Robot, not on pc origination. "Recently, has some emotion been rejected?" READ. Robot "looks at pc", i.e. unobtrusively prompts the pc to look for an answer. Pc says aloud into recorder, or writes, the answer, then hits "answered". Robot checks for an F/N, and if none, asks "Is there an e/s _____?" etc., and repeats procedure. It might work in some simple cases, as with any process that only requires calling off items, or reading down a list, and itsa e/s itsa to F/N (assuming the c-meter can recognize and respond appropriately to reads and F/Ns). In a lot of cases it wouldn't work at all. Again, reads on pc originations--major thoughts, not when the pc stops talking--are impossible to handle automatically. I have no intention of putting my time into such a hit-and-miss arrangement. ARCX assessment? With the pc ARCXen and out of comm? No. Audited NOTs? Probably covered by the remarks above. Any audited level above the very simple is a no-no. Any solo level where the pc properly decides things anyway could have the various choices displayed on a screen, the fancy cue card system, which may be an improvement or it may not. > So why did you choose that particular combination of > processes? > Because I had developed that combination when solo auditing, and found it very versatile, and workable. It doesn't require a meter. And it can be used at the bottom of the bridge as well as elsewhere without apparent problem. > Do you think this replaces the standard grade chart? > No. Paul Paul's Robot Auditor: Free Intro Auditing 24/7 http://www.fzglobal.org/robot
Message 782 [FreezoneOrg]The Yawn Machine Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:01 pm Thank you for all the appreciation. Here's a stripped-down, souped-up, non-Scn, use-anywhere version. It will fit on the two sides of one sheet of paper. Gotta be careful of those paper cuts, though. Ow! The Yawn Machine at http://www.yamnmachine.com Here Finny! Nice Finny! Come and get it... Paul http://www.fzglobal.org P.S. Apologies for the offal humour. But the link works, for those who prefer not to see the world through others' jaded eyeballs.
Message 783 [FreezoneOrg]Re: Beginners guide to L Ron Hubbard. Tue Sep 5, 2006 2:18 pm --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com, basic basic
wrote: > > > > Took notes while watching. Dunno if I can read them, > but here is what I've got:- The angle was fascinating, that of an individual seeking a spiritual path, and a report on what he found. The CofS was mentioned briefly at the start, as in they weren't interested in helping, and then they were not mentioned again, being dismissed as of no consequence. There was none of the normal media sensationalism, nothing of the usual celebrities. It was more or less a simple report on one person's search for spiritual guidance, who looked at Scn outside of the church, and found it apparently valuable. I am not familiar with the presenter, but he seemed quite cynical, but with a willingness to present things as he saw them (integrity). I found his treatment of what he found very fair. I would guess that people familiar with him would find his pleased reaction to FZ Scn remarkable, and from it might be tempted to have a further look into Scn. The word "Freezone" was mentioned a few times, along with a caption for Roland of quote Roland 'Freezoner' unquote. A noteworthy TV program. There has been nothing like it before. Paul http://www.fzglobal.org
Message 785 [FreezoneOrg]TR-0 and Human Energy Fields Fri Sep 8, 2006 2:38 pm The evening before last I was doing some TR-0 with someone who shares the house I live in. She had been reading a book about manipulating the human energy field, and wanted to see if she could see mine. So we just sat quietly for about half an hour and did TR-0: I'll show you mine if you'll show me yours type of thing. I had been watching hers for a while. I'm not very good at directly manipulating parts of the field, but merely seeing the denser, lower levels is not now a problem. I suddenly realized that I had been seeing these energy manifestations for decades, and so, probably, have you. What I realized was that when I was doing TR-0, especially all day for weeks on end, as one often does in a Pro TRs course, I would see such energy forms constantly. At the time I used to think they were either some kind of after-image, or illusions prompted by drug residues still in my body from my misspent youth. I would kind of shrug them off and narrow my vision onto the strictly physical surfaces of people and objects, but as soon as I relaxed again they would reappear. In the end I decided that I would just have to put up with them. It did occur to me that they might be some kind of real energy manifestation, but since LRH hadn't dwelt at length on the subject it couldn't be important. This field is mentioned in History of Man, at that time as the "theta being" surrounding the body, the body considered as being the sliver, and the thumb the theta being harbouring it. In Fundamentals of Thought, Chapter 7 The Parts of Man, LRH talks about the fixed electrical field surrounding and penetrating a body, and how "[T]he balance structure of the body and even its joint action and physical characteristics can be changed by changing this electrical field which exists at a distance from, or within, the body. The electrical field is paramount and monitors the actual physical structure of the body...An expert Scientologist can discover for the average person this field, and can bring about its adjustment, although this is very far from the primary purpose of the Scientologist." I was never quite sure what he meant by that last sentence. I figured he was talking about processes directly addressing the body's anchor points, such as R1-13 in the book Creation of Human Ability. But I certainly never came across any expert Scientologist offering to help people discover their own electrical fields, and I never came across any attempt to adjust the field beyond the bland touch assist type approach, Route One not being on offer in the CofS. So to remedy this lack, here is a simple drill for the average person to discover this field for himself, if it is not already a familiar sight and feeling. I am not getting into bringing about its adjustment, that being very far from the primary purpose of the Scientologist and as you know, I would never dream of straying far from the righteous path. The following is quoted from "Hands of Light" by Barbara Ann Brennan, one of my favourite books. "With the light dim in the room, hold your hands so that the tips of the fingers point towards each other. Hold your hands in front of your face at a distance of about two feet. Make sure there is a plain white wall for a background. Relax your eyes and softly gaze at the space between your fingertips, which should be about one and a half inches apart. Do not look into bright light. Let your eyes relax. What do you see? Move your fingertips closer and then further apart. What is happening in the space between the fingers. What do you see around the hand? Slowly move one hand up and the other down so that different fingers are pointing to each other. What has happened now? About 95% of the people who try this exercise do see something. Everyone feels something." [I am quoting directly. My personal opinion on that "Everyone" is that if someone is determined to feel nothing while doing this exercise then that will be the result.] "...Most people see a haze around the fingers and hands when trying to sense the aura. It looks somewhat like the heat wave over a radiator. It is sometimes seen in various colors, such as a blue tint. Usually, most people see it as colorless in the beginning...." I hope this does something useful to someone's day. Paul http://www.fzglobal.org
Message 786 [duplicate]
Message 787 [FreezoneOrg]Re: TR-0 and Human Energy Fields Sat Sep 9, 2006 4:00 pm --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com, Roland Aldridge
wrote: > > I've certainly seen this kind of thing often. It is > related to upper level phenomena. Oh, come on, Roland! You might as well say that having a body is related to upper level phenomena. Before I put too many words into your mouth, please clarify your remark, preferably without exciting those who object to the use of certain naughty words. I'm sure you are not suggesting that someone is tempting "upper-level restimulation" by holding their hands in front of them and relaxedly looking between the fingertips. Paul http://www.fzglobal.org
Message 788 [FreezoneOrg] Re: Magic or illusion Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:23 am --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com, XXXX wrote: > > I have been wondering if maybe some actual magic might not exist > within the ranks of stage magicians and camouflaged by the public's > automatic disbelief in real magic. Kreskin's pretty good. Or are you looking for telekinetic stuff? Paul
Message 789 [FreezoneOrg] Re: Magic or illusion Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:20 pm --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com, XXXX wrote: > > The problem with Kreskin is that the stuff he does would be too easy > to stage ahead of time and fake. Like the one he does with every show where he instructs his hosts to *hide* the cheque for his performance and if he can't find it they don't have to pay him? (He has apparently failed nine times out of thousands of performances). How about the fact that for years he has offered a reward of $50,000 to anyone who can prove that he employs paid assistants in any phase of his act? Paul
Message 790 [FreezoneOrg] from Roland's Brief History/LRH's date of death Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:17 pm --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com, XXXX wrote: > > brief history of the bridge, and explain how the > > bridge in 1969 is very different to now. > > > OK, here goes: In a Nutshell! >
> This continued, with all sorts of adventures, until > about the time LRH died in the early 80's - the exact > time is a matter of dispute. Seriously? The coroner's report concerning the corpse usually taken to be the one in question is online. One page of it concerning identification by fingerprints is: http://www.xenu.net/archive/hubbardcoroner/hubbard05.png What is your basis for making the statement that you did? Is there any non-laughable claim online to refute the coroner's identification? Paul
Message 791 [FreezoneOrg] Re: Church Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:36 pm --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com, XXXX wrote: > > Good suggestion, XXXX, but the CofS isn't very good about dealing > with outside lawyers. I think "cranky" would be a nice way of > putting it. > > What _might_ work....
I would suggest doing the usual thing that has worked in the past. It might be interesting to find out what would happen in the eBay scenario, but if it was me I wouldn't risk my eBay good name on it, or risk the potential time and effort in trying to fix the result. Plus, if you contract to sell to the highest bidder, XXXX, you risk getting maybe 10% of your account worth. It is not as if you are selling a MEST item of known worth, or selling something that churchies (or FZers) who use eBay know will be honoured by the CofS. The time-honoured methods are: 1. Get a repayment using methods that have worked recently and have been commented on in FZ groups; or 2. Buy bookstore items with your money, then sell those items. Last time I looked, in the US new (i.e about 1990+) Tech Volumes would sell on eBay for about $70-$90 each. Reckon on getting 50% of your money back, but it's not guaranteed. The big advantage of #1 is that you should get 100% of your advance payments back, less whatever fees anyone helping you will charge. The big advantage of #2 is that you don't have to be confrontational like in #1, but it might cost you 50%. Paul
Message 792 [XSO] Back again Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:13 pm Hi guys, I finally have my own proper telephone and broadband connection and am able to read XSO again. I am living in Newcastle upon Tyne, in North East England, after twenty years in the US, mostly in LA. I have family here. I have a photo and bio of sorts at http://scientology.wikia.com/wiki/User:Dulloldfart Very briefly, I was in the SO at AOSHUK from 1972-1986 and in LA, mostly ITO, from 1986 to 1996. Paul Adams
Message 793 [FreezoneOrg] Re: A wacky idea (podcasting) Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:25 pm --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com, XXXX wrote: > > if there's someone who's sort of curious and might be interested, I > do know enough about the technology to provide or point to useful > resources on the topic. > > XXXX > geek consultant to the stars Hi XXXX, "Sort of curious and might be interested" would describe my attitude very well. If it wouldn't be too much trouble, and it wouldn't freak you out to point arch-squirrel me in the direction of useful resources, I would appreciate it. My regular e-mail address is fzglobalguy at yahoo.com. Don't invest much time in it. I don't guarantee to make any products in this area. But maybe.... Paul
Message 794 [FreezoneOrg] Re: RTC loses another trademark! Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:41 pm Time for an update. Since April 2006, RTC has had a further twelve US trademarks cancelled, per the United States Patent and Trademark Office database. You can easily access this database by Googling the terms ***USPTO trademark search*** (no quote marks or asterisks needed) and it is the first hit. The initial numbers below, like #58, refer to my complete trademark chart at http://www.fzglobal.org/trademarks.htm, and you can find the correct registration or serial numbers to make the USPTO search easier. I'm not going to put them in this post. My chart is now fully updated, as far as I know. It is colour-coded for ease of use, green showing live marks, red the dead ones, and orange those that should have died but it takes the USPTO a few months after their stated grace period to actually cancel them. Where there has been more than one registration, for example one for training, one for auditing and one for books, I have noted which one has been cancelled. Where there was only one registration for the mark, there is no note following. And don't ask me why RTC did separate registrations for NOTS *books*! #12 AUDITED NOTS (re books) #58 FEBC #62 FLAG OT EXECUTIVE RUNDOWN #82 HAPPINESS RUNDOWN (re books etc) #83 HIGH WINDS #102 KSW NEWS #134 NED (re books) #145 NOTS (re books) #146 OEC #197 SHSBC #202 SOLO NOTS (re books) #215 THE FLAG LAND BASE Some of these might not be worth renewing, but you would think they would care about hanging onto some of the above. Well, I would think that anyway. Paul
Message 795 [FreezoneOrg] Re: RTC loses another trademark! Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:05 pm --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com, XXXX wrote: > > In view of the obsessive protective nature of their copyrights I am very > surprised that they allow these to lapse. > > Could it be that they are not going to use these promotional tools > anymore. i.e. happiness Rundown, KSW News etc. > > Would that mean we could start up a Magazine called KSW News?? Hi XXXX, They have allowed about thirty of these trademarks (not copyrights) to lapse in the past two years. Some of the cancellations from non- renewal are understandable, but L10, L11, and L12 for example are not. They make millions of dollars a year from those particular marks! I don't know the legal ramifications of using those names in the FZ now. I am not a lawyer and all that. The obvious thing to do is to try it and see what happens, but making sure you are using marks which are definitely dead (marked in red on my chart at http://www.fzglobal.org/trademarks.htm). If you get a cease and desist letter from Ms. Paquette or whoever quoting serial numbers for supposedly infringing marks, politely point out the dates of cancellation ("Date Died" on my chart). And see what happens next. Possibly the legal guys don't even know of the cancellations, reasonably expecting RTC to do their job of keeping them current. Note my chart is for US registrations only, not for individual US states and not for other countries. Note also that SUPERPOWER or SUPER POWER was never a registered mark of the CofS in the US. I assume they couldn't register it because they weren't delivering it. I expect they will try to register it when they do start delivering it to the public, at whatever time in the future that turns out to be. It would be unfortunate for them if someone else has been delivering something called SUPER POWER covered in the 042 category of "Goods & Services: Religious and Ministerial Services, Including Pastoral Counselling" and has already registered the mark. This other SUPER POWER does not have to bear any resemblance to its namesake in order to be registered in that category- -it just has to fit in that category. You could include ministerial services from the Electric Church of Jimi Hendrix if you wanted, as long as you could document that they did fit into the category. Along with all the other documentation needed, and the registration fee etc. I really don't have a good answer as to why they haven't renewed some of these. Safeguarding the trademarks and copyrights is RTC's first duty, I believe. I've been reporting these on OSA/RTC-viewed FZ lists for a year now. Initially I just thought they had been sloppy and their admin was out and they had overlooked a few renewals. But that excuse doesn't last for a whole year. Especially as they only have to copy and paste my research to have all the data on when the marks need to be renewed. Even if they wanted to verify every single piece of information on that chart, it only took me about fifty or sixty hours to put together and would take far less time to verify than to start from scratch. Allowing the trademarks of Scientology to be cancelled MUST be intentional on RTC's part. It has been going on too long for it to be accidental. Gosh. That would...make...RTC...in *Treason* to Scientology!
Yeah, some of them probably aren't worth renewing. But L10, L11 and L12? SHSBC? THE FLAG LAND BASE? AUDITED NOTS? OEC? FEBC? SOLO NOTS? I find the idea of someone in the FZ putting out a "KSW News" and withstanding a subsequent legal challenge amusing. Paul
Message 796 [XSO] Re: Back again Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:39 pm --- In XSO@yahoogroups.com, XXXX wrote: > > (re Incredible String Band) > Thanks, XXXX. I'll pass on the album. I liked the idea of the ISB more than the music, the idea that some Scientologists were famous for their theta outside of Scientology as well as inside. Paul
Message 797 [FreezoneOrg] Re: Magic or illusion Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:16 am --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com, XXXX wrote: > Sorry to bring back an old thread, but I found a very interesting > video about an inventor named Stanley Meyer. It shows his engine > that runs on water in detail, plus a story of his experiences in > trying to get his invention put on the market. > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3333992194168790800 Thanks for the references, XXXX. It was interesting to see a video about the Joe cell there (not the Meyer video, though that was interesting too. The US Patent Office does not usually grant spurious patents, I believe) and to see someone's attempt at some theory behind the observations in that free energy wiki. I remember reading a write-up on the Net some years ago on the Joe cell along with troubleshooting items in it that looked like they were derived from experience rather than theoretical. Though you have to admit the whole thing looks about as theoretically possible as someone's thoughts reading on a meter thousands of miles away. Paul http://www.fzglobal.org
Message 800 [FreezoneOrg] Re:Channel 4 - guide to LRH:download, plus how to brin Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:55 pm --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com, XXXX wrote: > > This was done before grades. Then it was revised to > NED. Still at the beginning of the bridge. But it > usually resulted in clear. Thus one is in the > no-interference zone with no grades auditing. NED then > got placed after the grades. There were various messings-around with the Non-Interference Zone HCOBs around this time, but I don't think there was ever one which stated that a Dianetic Clear HAD to go on to OT1-3 without doing the grades first. Whether to do grades or not on someone declared Dianetic Clear was always subject to C/S adjudication, including "Executive C/Sing", rather than being laid down in red-on- white as far as I recall. Paul
Message 798 [FreezoneOrg] Re: Channel 4 - guide to LRH:download, plus how to bri Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:32 pm --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com, XXXX wrote: > > Mostly correct, Paul. It's covered in the HCOBs I listed for bb. > > XXXX Hey XXXX, "Mostly", huh? What exactly is incorrect in what I stated? Paul
Message 799 [FreezoneOrg] Re: Channel 4 - guide to LRH:download, plus how to bring in a new person. Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:21 am --- In FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com, XXXX wrote: > > You said it wasn't laid down in red-on-white. It is, and is covered > well in the three HCOBs I listed in reply to bb's post. Those > issues, as well as the C/S Series itself, covers what to run on > someone, and when. Thanks for the specifics, XXXX. That second remark of mine was sloppily-stated and I accept the correction. Paul
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