Writings of Paul Adams:
Freezone Posts August 17, 2004 - September 16, 2004








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NOTE: The messages below are in their original form, except they have been annotated in the following manner in order to clarify their meaning.

The tags {PLAIN} and {/PLAIN}, with curly brackets, have been placed at the start and end of text intended to be read as it is written. The tags {IRONY} and {/IRONY} have been placed at the start and end of passages that are intended ironically, and should not be taken literally. The tags {JOKE} and {/JOKE} have been placed at the start and end of passages which are to be taken as jokes. Jokes which have to be explained are not funny, so I haven't tried to explain any of them. If you don't get something labeled "Joke", you can ignore it.








Message 321 From: [Paul} Date: Tue Aug 17, 2004 6:11 am Subject: Re: [FreezoneOrg] The Future of Earth. --- XXXX wrote: > I'm not sure how many people are aware of this - but there is the > real possibility of an 'economic discontinuity' in the near future > due to oil supplies - so called 'peak oil'. {IRONY} This is as absurd as the ideas that the Gulf Stream could shut off in a few years due to global warming; that no Boeing struck the Pentagon on 9/11; or that a person holding e-meter cans could pick up reads from someone three thousand miles away at the other end of a phone line.{/IRONY} {PLAIN} There is an earlier e-mail on Peak Oil webbed at http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal/w040422-040521.htm#^009 from another crazy Brit. "Peak Oil" is as welcome a subject on this list as the other ideas mentioned, Mr. XXXX. {/PLAIN} Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 322 From: [Paul] Date: Tue Aug 17, 2004 6:28 pm Subject: Re: [ifachat] New OT2 Checksheet -----Original Message----- From: XXXX To: ifachat@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:44:58 -0000 Subject: [ifachat] Re: New OT2 Checksheet > Anyone > can write a checksheet, given all the materials for a course. {PLAIN} Yes and no. Almost anyone can write a *bad* checksheet. You just list out the issues in alphabetical or date order, pick out some sentences or sub-headings and make demos out of them, go back and replace a few of the demos with clay demos, add some drills where there is some doingness mentioned instead of theory, make some of the theory star-rate, and there you are: A complete pile of crap! In order to write a good checksheet one has to know the relative importances of a subject, which one would only know from thorough personal experience. If one only has a theoretical understanding of something, one gets the relative importances wrong (remember that from the study tapes?--the bit about the varnish on an e-meter). The demos and drills and theory have to lead up on a gradient scale to the product of the course. If you put unnecessary demos and drills on a checksheet that don't lead to this product, you annoy the student. If you put a lot of this crap on a checksheet, the student doesn't use the checksheet as a tool for learning, but sees it as an impediment to learning and the emphasis shifts to "getting through this damn checksheet" instead of learning a subject and the relevant skills. Apart from being an expert in the subject personally, one has to know what average students trying to learn that subject need to know and drill. It's not enough to just have one's personal experience to draw on, but what about the other guys? I only fully realized how idiomatic English is as a language after I had supervised dozens of foreign-language students, for example. A good checksheet should be unambiguous as well. There is more, but I just wanted to make the point that writing a good checksheet is not that easy. {/PLAIN} Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 323 From: "Paul Adams" Date: Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:53 pm Subject: Re: [ifachat] Digest Number 123 --- XXXX wrote: > > XXXXwrote: > > XXXX, > > > That isn't funny. It comes across as crass, rude, and sarcastic. > > The Marx Brothers, Benny Hill, Monty Python, Mel Brooks, Mark Twain, > Jonathan Swift, Shakespeare, Plautus, Aristophanes, ... . > > Maybe you weren't amused but it gave me a laugh. I agree with > XXX's main point too: an excess of conservatism prevents one from > effectively using the material. > > After all, it isn't because LRH wrote it that Scientology has value. > Either it works or it doesn't. The subject must stand on its own. > > XXXX {JOKE} Rictus onus! {/JOKE} Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 324 From: "Paul Adams" Date: Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:35 pm Subject: Re: [ifachat] Tempest and the Stars --- Roland Aldridge wrote: > If you change your basis for observation from our > present linear position (regarding temperature and > time as linear entities, so that 100 degrees is twice > as hot as 50 degrees) to a logarithmic position, then > the behaviour of the universe may not be so strange. > At very high temperatures one's sense of time would be > much faster too, so that to a thetan the place would > seem to be as large and as cool as it does now, > perhaps. Different in its operation, but of the same > scale. If this is so, to a thetan, the universe might > seem infinitely old, whereas from our present linear > perspective it seems to have started at a finite time. {PLAIN} It is interesting that you suggest that. A couple of years before I got into Scn, I was at university supposedly studying maths and physics. Squeezed into the cracks between the wenching and the dope and the games of four-dimensional tic-tac-toe with a sorry wretch of a non-student drug-addict who often beat me I developed a theory on the origin and demise of the physical universe. I had a question about General Relativity and made the horrifying discovery that not one of my professors admitted to being an expert in it. One consequence of my equations was that subjectively, one was always at the exact mid-point of the universe's cycle from start to finish, even though to an objective observer "outside the universe" (I know, I know) the universe might just have started or be just about to end. In hindsight it was a crappy theory of mine, but until now I have never heard that same logarithmic-time idea being applied to one of us famous "stationary observers". {/PLAIN} Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 325 From: [Paul] Date: Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:12 pm Subject: Re: [FreezoneOrg] The Future of Earth. -----Original Message----- From: XXXX To: FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:19:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [FreezoneOrg] The Future of Earth. > As I said they have been posted regularly on ARS. > An OT7 ex qual sec I know has verified them as > correct. I don't know if he is correct on that. {PLAIN} I haven't seen anything convincing about the NOTs issues seen on the Net not being genuine, i.e. as far as I know, they are genuine. Maybe not the latest versions, but genuine for what they are. >>Why is that? I would >> suspect that as soon as >> their presence is known, there is intensifying legal >> pressure to take >> them down. > There has been nothing on ARS to that effect. My point is that it's next to impossible to prevent someone posting something on ARS, but it is possible to get someone to take down a website with a static URL. It's the difference between trying to prevent a random drive-by shooting and laying siege to someone holed up in an office building. If it were as easy to keep a NOTs pack on the Web as the Gettysburg address, say, you would think you would be able to find at least one copy of it somewhere. There surely is the interest. I just checked on Google and couldn't find a single one on the Web. > Zenon Parnousis told me. He put them into the > Swedish courts. He quotes as an eye witness Chris > Owen, who observed pallets of them being stacked by > fork lift trucks. Fair enough. {/PLAIN} > In fact the picture of me on the net was snipped > from a larger one of Zenon, Karin, and friend in an > Amsterdam bar where this conversation took place. {JOKE} Fly over to LA, XXXX, and I'll take another of you that you can web. You deserve a better picture! {/JOKE} Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 326 From: "Paul Adams" Date: Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:57 am Subject: [ifachat] New OT3 Checksheet {IRONY} You've been so validating and appreciative of all my hard work concerning the OT2 checksheet I wrote that I am rewarding you with a brand new OT3 checksheet.{/IRONY} {PLAIN} It is currently at http://www.freewebs.com/squirrelacademy/OT3checksheet.htm {/PLAIN} Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 327 From: [Paul] Date: Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:16 am Subject: [FreezoneOrg] New OT2 and OT3 Checksheets {PLAIN} There are new OT2 and OT3 checksheets online that align with the new Prometheus materials. They are currently at http://www.freewebs.com/squirrelacademy/OT2checksheet.htm and http://www.freewebs.com/squirrelacademy/OT3checksheet.htm . {/PLAIN} Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 328 From: "Paul Adams" Date: Thu Aug 19, 2004 6:09 am Subject: [ifachat] OT 2 & 3 Checksheets by Paul Adams > If you are wondering what is off source regarding the checksheets, a > senior Tech Terminal has gone through them and has issued the > following specific issues: > 1- Contain other advices than LRH, no HCOB or LRH writings. > 2- Contain Verbal (false) data disguised as Verbose Drills > explanations. > 3- Teach about Review actions such as the LDN which was NEVER meant to > be run Solo. > 4- Make covert references to data from higher OT levels. > 5- Feed cogs and EPs not contained in the materials students on > Standard OT II-III were given to study. > 5- Seek to go into great details on the Drilling of Incidents, which > on > someone who has never run them could become over-restimulative. > 6- Mix the Solo C/S checklist with the the Training Checksheet and > seek > to collapse the pc case with the Student. {PLAIN} Hi Folks, The Accused presents his defense, if he has not been found guilty and hanged already. Point 1: What crime is charged? I wrote checksheets aligned with the Prometheus materials, for reasons that should be obvious. Is "NO tech" preferable to "rewritten tech"? Point 2: What false data has been presented and what original issues have been violated? The answer can be expressed in a way that conveys the specifics to someone familiar with the originals without putting upper-level data directly on this list. Right now it is a generality. Point 3. My OT3 checksheet specifies that the LDN is the OT3 review list, not the OT3 solo repair list. There are demos and drilling of the solo list on the checksheet, but not the LDN. Point 4. So covert that even I don't know what they are. Please be specific as I don't know what you are talking about. Point 5. The Clear cog is the subject of one clay demo. One would hope an OT2 or OT3 student is clear. Clear is one of the pre-reqs for the course and per the checksheet a C/S has to sign off on it before the course is started. It is true that this was not stated in the CofS OT2 or OT3 checksheet, but it is also true that the data is all over the Net. What exactly is "Standard OT2" and "Standard OT3" anyway? LRH didn't write the checksheets, or the two black-on-green color flash "State of Clear" issues in the CofS OT2 theory pack we used in 1985. What "cogs" (plural) and "EPs" (plural) am I supposed to have "fed"? If you are referring to the Clear cog, the OT2 student is already supposed to be clear. What are the others? Point 5 part 2: What are you talking about? I have *downplayed* the details of the incidents. Point 6: Again, what exactly are you referring to? The generalities disguised as specifics are not very useful. I am not pretending ignorance--where I have asked for specifics it is because I don't know what you are referring to. I assume my accuser is the same anonymous "senior Tech Terminal" who tacitly approves of the abominable tech of TT's IC2. I find it interesting that he has allowed it to remain unchallenged for ten weeks while immediately attacking two checksheets that promote the standard approach to OT2 and OT3 although not referring to issues that cannot legally be possessed. (Note I'm not trying to get into a games condition with him--we're supposed to be on the same side.) {/PLAIN} Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 329 From: "Paul Adams" Date: Thu Aug 19, 2004 8:37 am Subject: PAC Complex Pix {PLAIN} I went for a stroll down L. Ron Hubbard Way around noon yesterday and took some photos for bb, but you can all see them too if you like. They are webbed for now at http://www.freewebs.com/paulspix There weren't a lot of public, but the place looked nice. It reminds me of times I used to walk around Saint Hill (UK), feeding the swans down by the lake every day. I used to have them literally eating out of my hand, although they hissed a little bit and it took a year of daily feeding to get that close to them. I kept telling myself how wonderfully quiet and peaceful it was there, then I realized that peace and quiet wasn't the ideal scene for a Scn org. Oh well. {/PLAIN} Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 330 From: "Paul Adams" Date: Fri Aug 20, 2004 12:34 am Subject: Re: [ifachat] Re: OT2 & OT3 Paul Adams' Checksheets and the Official IFA Warning & KSW while I'm at it. --- XXXX wrote: > > > Let the record state I am not a scientology tech trained person nor a > lawyer (not this lifetime ;-) ). > > The following reflect my thoughts on issues underlying major sources > of > contention in scientology. {PLAIN} Jesus. Mr. XXXX is writing on a different subject, really. Before we get into an intergalactic war here, let's get a few things straight: 1. While I was in the SO, I supervised a hundred or so people through OT2 and OT3 theory, based on the then-current CofS checksheets based on the then-current materials. What was in LRH's handwriting was assumed to be LRH; what was issued with his name at the bottom was pretty much taken to be his; what was issued in the name of Jenny Edmonds or Janet Guildford (?) regarding the State of Clear was treated as if it had been written by LRH. The checksheets were not issued in LRH's name and were assumed not to have been written by him. What was missing from both checksheets was a sensible final period of drilling at the end that prepared a student to go into session and run the stuff. Without such drilling it was found that too many solo auditors fell on their heads as it was too steep a gradient. It is a supervisor's job to produce a graduate who can do what the course is about. The Service PL and my sense of duty demanded that I do this. If some checksheet-writer who'd never personally supervised anyone on the course had left it off I didn't give a flying freak--I still prepared the student to go into session. The "overt" of "not following the checksheet" was less than the overt of producing a "graduate" who couldn't solo audit on OT2 or OT3. This wasn't a checksheet on how to bake a cake--it was how to do an OT level! Even when I was at ITO I had this philosophy. I was delivering OT2 and OT3 theory to maybe a dozen senior execs (COs etc.). I told them straight up that the checksheet drill was not sufficient to prepare them for session and they needed to do more. No-one complained at the time, or after being in session. And these were not wimpy people who didn't want to cause a fuss! Anyway, I learned very thoroughly what was on the materials and what it took to train a solo auditor on OT2 and OT3. 2. A person or persons unknown to me produced the Prometheus Reports, a review of existing writings on OT2 and OT3, including LRH's. I didn't write the stuff; I didn't edit the stuff. Prior to publication I made some comments on the review of the LRH issues as I was fairly familiar with the data. Overall I think the Clearbird and Prometheus writings are wonderful because they present less of a copyright problem than putting the original materials on the web, and also they are in plain English. Most of the people on this list probably have English as a native language and are not aware of the problems a foreign-language person has in duplicating just the language of the original. My OT2 and OT3 checksheet probably need to be re-written to accommodate foreign-language students--a foreign- language person fairly fluent in English would be better at that than I because he would see my use of idioms more clearly than I would. He also might have placed "see it" at the end of the previous sentence. I don't agree with every single sentence in the Prometheus Reports. If I had edited them, it would have been different. If I had been writing them, it would have been different. But I didn't, and I'm not going to spend the five hundred hours or however long it took (unpaid) doing so. Overall, I think they are great. If someone wants to point out some technical error in them, go ahead, point it out with reference to the specific issue violated and why, and I'm sure the author would look it over and if it was in fact wrong fix the error promptly. 3. I wrote two checksheets based on my familiarity with the OT2 and OT3 data and my experience in training solo auditors on those levels. I did align them with the Prometheus articles, but remember that my knowledge is not from the Prometheus articles. I did not add or alter one single thing that I am aware of that was not in the original issues, apart from some suggestions re admin where there was no mention of how to do it. Example: the main booklet of instructions on OT2 has the admin of writing "no" or "no read", instead of the more familiar "x". I left it as "no" although I would have much preferred to use "x" as it is quicker and more familiar to most people who would be doing the course. But I left it. Why? Because that is what it said on the original materials. There is also that demo re the Clear cog I explained earlier, although the actual cog is not on the checksheet. The long drills are designed to bridge the gap between sitting and reading about doing the procedure and getting into session and actually doing it on the heavy charge of the levels. And it is a big gap. The drills as written do bridge the gap. There are NO specific drills listed in the original issues. The "How to Write a Checksheet" PL as well as common sense dictates drills. If you were about to solo audit on OT2 or OT3, would you rather do so after completing the extensive drills I wrote (based on my knowledge and experience) or after doing a checksheet item that says, "Drill the level fully" when there aren't *any* written down anywhere that I know of, and there certainly aren't any "standard drills" for the levels? I don't pretend to be a Class XII with tens of thousands of hours of auditing experience. But has whoever is taking pot-shots at my work supervised over 100 students successfully through the regular OT2 and OT3 courses? In a proper courseroom? It might be hard to understand, but I do get just a teensy-weensy bit annoyed at being attacked, nullified, having my grasp of the tech generally impugned and all kinds of other crap sent my way after I have spent forty or fifty hours writing exact, precision checksheets based on my extensive knowledge and experience OF THE ORIGINAL MATERIALS and putting them up on the Web for all to copy and use free of charge. But don't let that stop you. {/PLAIN} Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 331 From: "Paul Adams" Date: Fri Aug 20, 2004 4:36 am Subject: Re: [ifachat] Search engine info for non profits --- XXXX wrote: > I found this on the net. > > May be helpful. Believe it or not the church is behind it. > > http://www.countercult.com/n/n13.html > > XXXX {PLAIN} The press release is from Georgina Tweedie. In 1990 or so Georgie was in OSA Int, in PR. The paragraph below is from their press release: "Members of a newly formed group, Non-Profits in Search, note that search engine marketing issues for non-profits have employed time, money and energy competing with the business world. Further they agree that the non-profits' "competition" should be limited to other organizations within this sector." My opinion is that the CofS people don't like the fact that they only control two out of the first ten hits on Google when you search for "Scientology", and want to organize some kind of respectable-looking pressure group (i.e. appear to be similar to the likes of the Salvation Army) to try and effect a change in their favor. So they wouldn't have to "compete" with the business world; {/PLAIN}{JOKE}or to paraphrase that, so people looking them up on the Internet are less likely to view unfavorable comment. I'm not very good at paraphrasing sometimes. {/JOKE} {PLAIN} I only recently discovered that Google's motto is "Don't be evil", and the founders take it seriously. It's their version of the greatest good for the greatest number. Radical business idea! And Google is highly successful. Could there be a moral in here somewhere? {/PLAIN} Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 332 From: "Paul Adams" Date: Fri Aug 20, 2004 5:36 am Subject: Re: [ifachat] PAC Complex Pix --- XXXX wrote: > When did you take these - I mean what time of day? (JOKE) I'm surprised you needed to ask that. If you look at the photo of the guy walking past ASHO steps, you will see that from the ratio of his head size to the rest of his body he would be about 5'10" tall, plus or minus an inch. You can ignore that datum. But note that the ratio of the length of his shadow to his height is 1:3.2, give or take five percent. Knowing that the latitude of LA is about 34 degrees North and it was taken on August 18, it is but a moment's calculation to compute the time as 12:30 PM plus or minus 26 minutes. That's what my watch said too, as I knew someone would ask, but without the 26 minutes possible error. {/JOKE, but I did take them around 12:30 PM} > What's it like there on the weekend? {JOKE} It's very different. They bus in about 400 Colombian families every Saturday morning and truck in about 5,000 yards of topsoil, and cultivate coffee beans in the middle of L. Ron Hubbard Way. They don't get much done before they have to clean it all up and send everybody home again. Part of the TWTH campaign, I think. Or so I heard. It could be wrong. It's only three miles from me, but I don't have reason to go there much, so I don't have any useful first- hand information. {/JOKE} > Oh, any news on your living > quarters situation? {PLAIN} Thanks for your interest, XXXX. I'm not really making fun of you. I haven't heard anything at all after I sent my initial e-mail. I guess they don't like to argue as much as the people on the FZ lists! Paul, who obviously doesn't have enough to do tonight. {/PLAIN} http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 333 From: "Paul Adams" Date: Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:02 am Subject: Re: [ifachat] More about KSW --- XXXX wrote: > I am intimately familiar with KSW. > > So far, I have never endorsed anyone's rewritings of the Tech. > > Perhaps if I found one which didnt contain significant alter-is of > the Tech, > Violations of Scientology Axioms and utter clashes with the known > theory of > fundamental rundowns. This has not occurred so far. > > I admit, I have read little of what other call their "Version of the > Tech". > Generally I have limited myself to a few pages and found enough > alter-is > there to convince me that my time would be better spent doing other > things. {PLAIN} Hi XXXX, It's good to have you posting here directly. I accept that you are intimitely familiar with KSW. I note you have a poor view of others' rewrites of the Tech. Even those you haven't read. > I have not read the Icause OT Levels, but only fragments of it, So I > could > never endorse them. I'm sorry to hear that. Let me refresh your memory a little. On May 30, 2004 I posted a detailed critique with references to the original materials of TT's IC2 on the Yahoo OT List. A week later I exchanged some e-mails with TT, and he said he would be interested in your view on it. Since it is abominable tech, I was--and still am--interested in getting it [it, not TT] stomped out of existence. I e-mailed you and asked if you would like to see TT's IC2, and you replied rapidly and said you would. I e-mailed you a copy of my critique, along with the original data that I critiqued. Here is a copy of the critique [warning- -contains OT2 and OT3 data]: http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal/wotw040530-049999.htm#^UL002 I didn't hear anything back from you, so after a week I asked if you had received it and you responded that you had. On July 9, I again posted a message in response to one of yours asking for your comments. You did not reply. See: http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal/w040617-040716.htm#^214 I find it hard to believe that you did not read TT's IC2, but I will take you at your word. We'll get back to this in a minute. > A person who had in his heart nothing but a desire for revenge, once > blasted > me for advising another who claimed he was having great wins on one > of those > levels that he should merely continue. That individual, obviously > never > understood the mechanics of the Cycle of Action. > I seriously doubt that ordering someone to abruptly halt a winning > course of > action and making him feel guilty for it will result in anything, but > a > serious beef-up of his bank, no matter how squirelly or off-beam the > "winning" process might be). It would appear that you are saying that if someone is winning in their own estimation on a cycle of action of horribly squirrelly auditing like IC2 ("one of those levels") that it is the correct thing to do to let them continue. Does that mean that it's OK by you for Robert Ducharme to audit R3X the way he does because all of his pc's get great results? (And as far as I can tell in PT--in PT, Ray--they do). {/PLAIN} {JOKE, SORT OF} Hey Robert--you'll never believe this--XXXX says it's in-KSW for you to audit R3X on people. The iffychatters will have to love you now!!! {/JOKE} {PLAIN} You might wish to clarify the KSW paradox there a bit. OK, back to the IC2 ranch. As far as I know, TT is still delivering the horribly squirrel tech of IC2. Without putting any confidential data on this list, I'll mention that one of the *minor* points of it is to read a chunk of OT3 theory before reading OT2 theory. I find it hard to believe that anyone would get any kind of lasting gains from doing IC2 as the auditing actions on the level don't address any meaningful charge of the level IC2 is intended to replace. XXXX: TT told me he didn't care about my comments but would listen to yours. He complained a lot about my critique but didn't mention any specific parts of it that were wrong with reference to the LRH issues I quoted, just made general "you don't know what you are saying" type comments (he didn't use those exact words). I am publicly requesting that you spend ten minutes or so of your valuable time reading it, and then e-mail TT a copy of your honest evaluation of the tech in it with a copy to me and anyone else you want to send it to. I ask for a copy because quite frankly I wouldn't necessarily believe what another might say about this. I wouldn't expect you to post confidential material to a public list, which is why the e-mail. I'm not asking you to post it to the ICAUSE list, apt as that may be. Knowing what IC2 is, I find it hard to believe you would happily allow TT to deliver IC2 to people when he can now deliver the proper level. You can find twenty minutes to write critical generalities about my checksheets (which I will take up in another post). You can find twenty minutes to wear the KSW hat and stamp out of existence this piece of incorrect technology called IC2. If you won't do this I will consider your KSW mouthings mere pretense and PR. I'm sorry I don't respect your status alone. If you do and say something I consider is worthy of it, you will earn my respect that way. {/PLAIN} Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 334 From: "Paul Adams" Date: Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:42 pm Subject: Rons Orgs Question {JOKE, KIND OF} I've been meaning to ask this question for a while: Which RO OT Level (17? 18? 23? ...?) handles the compulsion to make nothing of things? {/JOKE} Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 335 From: "Paul Adams" Date: Sun Aug 22, 2004 6:36 pm Subject: Re: [ifachat] Paul's ksw, IC2, Still dosent get it. --- XXXX wrote: > I happen to think > that > Pierre at the present time is the only person in the FZ that has both > oars > in the water, and the only hobby horse he rides is one of standard > tech. > Personally, I think that is a good thing. > I have not sent Pierre a detailed writeup of IC2, I have > lots of > other things to do, and this cycle is of minor importance. {PLAIN} Hi XXXX, As I said, my target is IC2 and not you. I'm glad you're out there in the FZ and I think the world is a better place with you than without you. I have requested that Pierre look over IC2 and tell you what he thinks of it. I get that he doesn't have the time to do it and you don't have the time to give him the full data, but I am still requesting that it occur. The two write-ups that I am commenting on and sent him surely give a big enough slice to get at least the flavor of the whole. Especially to one as well-trained and experienced as Pierre. I wish you well. {/PLAIN} Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 336 From: [Paul] Date: Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:08 am Subject: RE: [FreezoneOrg] The Future of Earth - basic basic and Michael Moore --- XXXX wrote: > My purpose is to place the emphasis on organizing and the > Admin aspect of things. If there are OECs and FEBCs > amongst us they should speak now of how we could do this thing. Or as > far as I am concerned anyone who just feels he has the time to deal > with > this thing. An International Org Board encompassing a whole lot of > Organizations and activities and functions under some kind of a > command > or if people have a problem with that, some kind of coordination. I > am > aware that some org boards do exist and that people hold posts on > them > but I would like to see an application of the admin tech in order to > further promote those org boards and why not if one doesn't exist > create > one that can encompass a div 7 organization (where for example IFA > would > be just its Dept 20) over the net with the purpose of speeding up the > local organizations. > Much Love, XXXX {PLAIN} Hi XXXX, I remember you from when I was the Staff Courses Practical Sup in the HGB in the early 90s. There is actually quite a lot of admin help that can be done. There is a lot of Scn Admin tech that is very workable. One thing that made it unworkable was the off-policy remote micro-management. That won't be a problem in the FZ as a group in Minsk is not likely to listen to anyone in the US sending it "orders"! One useful piece of Admin tech is the Admin Scale, well covered on Clearbird's site, against which random ideas can easily be evaluated. I worked out a sample admin scale for an individual FZ group or individual that could be adapted for any particular use. It is webbed at http://www.freewebs.com/fzadmin/adminscale~individual.htm/ . An even more useful piece of admin tech is the use of Routing Forms, especially with a group of individuals who are not admin-trained. People holding posts in an internet admin-type org could very usefully spend time writing up routing forms and programs and collecting successful actions write-ups and make them generally available on the Internet. From the routings forms main page: A routing form is basically a neat way of ensuring that various actions that need to get done in producing a particular product do get done. A person or group very experienced in doing their jobs would know the actions that need to get done and would usually do them correctly. The advantages of using routing forms, though, are these: 1. A routing form lists the actions that have to get done in sequence, and the terminals that are supposed to do them. Without the RF, these actions tend to get dropped in the daily rush of getting things done. The dropped actions later cause dev-t. Example, a student arrives to course, but doesn't have a checksheet or a pack. Or five weeks after he's left, it is discovered he never paid for the course, and no-one knows his address either. 2. A staff member may not really have a clue what he is doing. Someone told him he is "Course Admin" and where his desk and the course room is, but not what to do. And here is a new student routing onto course! With a routing form that lists in detail the actions he is supposed to do, the new Course Admin can with confidence log the student's name, address and telephone number in the student log book; log his schedule and enter him on the roll sheet for the correct course periods; issue him a checksheet and make sure he has a study pack for the course he is going to do; put a card on the student progress board; put up a student graph if applicable; show him where the restrooms/facilities are; and introduce him to the Course Supervisor. There may be a bit of fumbling, but if he does what is written on the routing form--and if it is a well-written routing form--he can be confident he's done all the things he needs to do with a new student routing in. And he can feel proud of his production, of having given good service! He did it right. Even though he didn't know what he was doing fifteen minutes earlier and had to hunt around or ask someone in order to find the "checksheets drawer" and the "Student Log" and the "Roll Book". 3. Each action has a post appointed to do it. If that post-holder is not there, the post's senior does it, and so on. If no-one else, the ED does it. The staff member has to sign and date the RF, so later one can see who stated they did the action and when. Obviously a bit of paper all by itself is no guarantee that an action has been done, but if an action is later discovered not to have been done that should have been done, a senior (or the Dir I&R) can see who falsely reported and then take action to handle that staff member who falsely reported. 4. The person being routed around is also given the responsibility to make sure he/she is getting good service. It should not be necessary, but it all helps to get and keep the staff members' hats on, and that way everybody wins. Here are the FZ Admin Routing Forms on this site: FZRF_01: New Student to Div 4 Course (which is at http://www.freewebs.com/fzadmin/fzrf_01.htm/ ) {/PLAIN} Paul Adams http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal (main site)






Message 337 From: "Paul Adams" Date: Thu Aug 26, 2004 6:08 am Subject: Re: [ifachat] About the Usage of Acronyms --- XXXX wrote: > Recently someone made a post referring referring to a number of > ambiguous > acronyms. > > Specifically the acronym CB, which I have seen countless times on the > > Internet as referring to "Captain Bill" was used to refer to > "clearbird". {PLAIN} Hi XXXX, Yes, I apologize for the confusion over "CB". I thought it would be clear by putting the following as the first thing on the original checksheet after the title and date and version number: "This checksheet is based on the study materials in the Clearbird/Prometheus Reports, currently webbed at http://www.freezoneamerica.org/Prometheus04/index.htm". I have since changed "CB" to "Prm" throughout and put in links to the webbed materials, and I have removed all mention of "Clearbird" as that name refers to the materials up to Clear and not those above it. The OT2 checksheet is still at http://www.freewebs.com/squirrelacademy/OT2checksheet.htm and the OT3 one is at http://www.freewebs.com/squirrelacademy/OT3checksheet.htm . So we are now in this position: I wrote checksheets for OT2 and OT3 based on my experience as an Advanced Courses Course Supervisor successfully training over 100 people to solo audit those levels on the original materials in the CofS. You trashed the checksheets, without any real specifics of the tech issues violated, and Michael of IFA made a denouncement of them in a whole new thread especially devoted to the subject. The general impression that would still be left is "Pierre thinks Paul's tech on this is very suspect and IFA has given them an official Seal of Death", despite this recent post of yours. This is a chat list. It even has "chat" in its name. Someone died. Someone broke a leg. Someone's doing well. Something is bad. Something else is good. Chat, chat, chat, all grist to the mill. Except to the person who broke the leg or died it's a BIG DEAL. If someone here publicly disagrees with my evaluation of the political or environmental situation on this planet; or doesn't get one of my jokes; or thinks I don't understand some obscure bit of science, it doesn't matter to me a whole lot. But if a generally-respected Class XII publicly states that my Scn tech is trash, when it's been the main thrust of my life for three decades, it DOES matter to me. We have two incomplete cycles, Pierre. The first concerns the tech of TT's IC2 (that stands for "Immortality Course Section 2") that I wrote a critique of, and the second is the tech of the OT2 and OT3 checksheets I wrote. I wanted the bad tech of IC2 killed off first, but if you want to address my checksheets first, so be it. I know you don't like to appear to be assuming an effect point, especially of someone as poorly- trained as me, so it is really hard to overtly dictate what I want you to do and expect you to do it. But I can dream! Maybe you could pretend it is a submission on the IFA tech review line. What I would like for you to do is: 1. Actually read, with your own eyeballs and thetan paying attention, my checksheet for OT2 from top to bottom. 2. Point out what is actually out-tech about it, with SPECIFICS as to the Section number and Item number of the checksheet and materials violated and why exactly it is a violation of them. You must have done that a thousand times in FESing or writing crams. I did it on IC2, pointing out the exact words from TT's posted write- ups, what LRH stated in which issue concerning the subject, and how they weren't the same. TT says I'm out to lunch but to date neither he nor you have pointed out which of my stated specifics are incorrect. 3. Actually read, with your own eyeballs and thetan paying attention, my checksheet for OT3 from top to bottom. 4. Point out what is actually out-tech about it, with SPECIFICS as to the Section number and Item number of the checksheet and materials violated and why. 5. If there aren't any errors beyond debatable tech points that one wouldn't write a cram on anyway, then say so IN PLAIN ENGLISH publicly, i.e. on this list or on any others where you have effectively third- partied me. What I mean by "in plain English" is in big print on the front page as the main story, not buried in paragraph 9 of page 13 in tiny print. Example: A short, one-paragraph post from your usual address that states, "I carefully looked over Paul's recent OT2 and OT3 checksheets, and they are OK to use as written. Pierre." Not a four-page dissertation on checksheet-writing and a comment in passing that "a couple of recent examples from someone whose name I forget were not grossly out-tech and could be used if nothing better is available". You don't have to post confidential materials on an open list. You can even e-mail it to me. I am honest enough to publicly admit any clear errors I have made. Maybe we can get these two cycles completed before the end of the year. What do you reckon? {/PLAIN} {JOKE} I think the world will last that long before the Aum Shinriko/Yakuza teams using the (Tesla-based) scalar interferometers leased from the Russians since the end of 1989 deliberately stimulate a sudden eruption of the gigantic Yellowstone caldera or engineer some similar disaster. {/JOKE} Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 338 From: "Paul Adams" Date: Thu Aug 26, 2004 6:59 am Subject: Re: [ifachat] Another CCHR notice . . . --- XXXX wrote: > But have you ever considered that the > psychs are a DELIBERATE wrong target pushed by the CoX? {PLAIN} I think you'll find that CCHR's actions are based on strategic planning originally laid out by LRH in the late 60s, and the targeting of "The Psychs" stems from that and not from current CofS management people. {/PLAIN} Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 339 From: "Paul Adams" Date: Fri Aug 27, 2004 12:38 am Subject: The Seven Dynamics --- XXXX wrote: > Going down - The seventh (theta) intermingled with the sixth (MEST) > creates (life) the fifth. > > Unless Paul has some other viewpoint. > > XXXX {PLAIN} Yes, indeed. I agree with the life-creation aspect, but we were looking at the idea of a series of concentric circles, each higher dynamic encompassing all those beneath it. Let's see. Based on my understanding of the theta/MEST theory and associated ideas, I look on MEST as primarily a kind of frozen theta, although there may be live theta associated with it. For example, a hair brush may bear traces of its remote owner's theta in an electronic, matching-wavelength sense, and it may be possible to trace the missing owner via the hair- brush and a still-extant comm line between the hairbrush and the owner. But MEST does not by itself possess the free theta self-determinism common to all life forms. A thetan may be able to psychokinetically move a table, but the table all by itself is not going to suddenly scuttle across the room because it wants to be next to its favorite chair. Let's use the Theta/MEST model, and assume a difference between free theta and frozen theta (MEST). Starting at the bottom and going up, we get roughly: The urge/dynamic thrust to survive/exist as... P: ...the free theta and MEST/frozen theta aspects of one individual life unit in the species under consideration. Expanding in scope to... Q: ...the free theta and MEST/frozen theta aspects of a very small grouping of the life forms of one's own species of MEST body, namely the family unit for humans of man, woman, children in Western society and the need to create MEST bodies for future life forms. Expanding in scope to... R: ...the free theta and MEST/frozen theta aspects of small groupings of the life forms of one's own species of MEST body. Expanding in scope to... S: ...the free theta and MEST/frozen theta aspects of all the life forms of one's own species of MEST body, usually limited to the planet of the individual concerned. Expanding in scope to... T: ...the free theta and MEST/frozen theta aspects of all life forms. Expanding in scope to... U: ...the free theta and MEST/frozen theta aspects of all individualities, whether (1) purely free theta; (2) purely frozen theta; or (3) a commingling of free theta and frozen theta. Expanding in scope to... V: ...all that is; infinity; all theta without individuality; life the universe and everything; etc. etc. That works fine going both up and down. Here, I'll show you: D: All that is, infinity, all theta without individuality, life the universe and everything, etc. etc. Diminishing in scope to... U: ...the free theta and MEST/frozen theta aspects of all individualities, whether (1) purely free theta; (2) purely frozen theta; or (3) a commingling of free theta and frozen theta. Diminishing in scope to... F: ...the free theta and MEST/frozen theta aspects of all life forms. Diminishing in scope to... G: ...the free theta and MEST/frozen theta aspects of all the life forms of one's own species of MEST body, usually limited to the planet of the individual concerned. Diminishing in scope to... H: ...the free theta and MEST/frozen theta aspects of small groupings of the life forms of one's own species of MEST body. Diminishing in scope to... I: ...the free theta and MEST/frozen theta aspects of a very small grouping of the life forms of one's own species of MEST body, namely the family unit for humans of man, woman, children in Western society and the need to create MEST bodies for future life forms. (What is the second dynamic in a society when there is one man and a hundred wives in a harem? What is the second dynamic for a hermaphrodite worm? What is the second dynamic for a worker bee?) Anyway, this diminishes in scope to... J: ...the free theta and MEST/frozen theta aspects of one individual life unit in the species under consideration. Of course, you weren't fooled by my "numbering" system, and noted that I fudged it by smooshing together the 6th and 7th dynamics. If we could call the smooshed result the "6/7th Dynamic", what is commonly known as the "7th Dynamic" is composed of part (1) of the "6/7th", and what is commonly known as the "6th Dynamic" is composed of parts (2) and (3) of the "6/7th". Free theta and frozen theta and free/frozen theta commingled are each a part of Dynamics 1 through 5, "6/7", and arguably 8. But they are not each a part of "the 6th Dynamic" and "the 7th Dynamic". Free theta is not a part of MEST, and MEST is not part of free theta. The concentric circle idea works for "The Seven Dynamics" with a smooshed 6/7th, but not with the original eight. I am not proposing renaming the whole system as I find it useful as-is, and besides, too many people would object. Fortunately for me, I never thought of all this while I was in the CofS. So that's my view on it. {/PLAIN} Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 340 From: "Paul Adams" Date: Fri Aug 27, 2004 3:35 am Subject: Chuck Beatty {PLAIN} Chuck was in the Sea Org for 27 years (1975 to 2003). We knew each other slightly, and in fact he took over my post as Sec Checker School Sup in 1988. He has just started posting long stories about his life in the SO. I find them interesting. He was in orgs more interesting than mine. I gathered up all the posts I could find and stuck them on a website, http://www.freewebs.com/chuckbeatty . Chuck's happy with it. Check them out if you like. There's a lot of data there. He must type fast! {/PLAIN} Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 341 From: "Paul Adams" Date: Fri Aug 27, 2004 6:51 am Subject: Re: [ifachat] E-Meter on eBay --- XXXX wrote: > Oh, I'm sure you are probably right about them [Mark V] not being > made any more {PLAIN} I wasted 15 minutes trying to find E-meters on an official CofS site, then gave up. There's a policy that got revised in 1991: HCO PL 28 Dec 1965RA Rev. 4 Feb 91 "E-Meters Allowed". It used to allow the Mk V and the Azimuth meter, which had a Mk V movement but a see-through meter dial. The latest revision allowed the Mk VII and Mk V, and I think the Mk VI too, but nuked the Azimuth. I remember, because I have an Azimuth meter. I even got it silver-certed in 1985. I don't use it- -I picked up a Clarity meter on eBay for $300--but I still have it. As far as I know, the British Mark V is still encouraged to be owned by churchies who aren't about to buy a Quantum, and it is valid for use up to Clear. I don't think it's been discontinued at all. I solo audited OT2 and OT3 around 1980 with a British Mark V and I am sure many here did. They're not that bad and they last for ever. The Mark VI component quality is not that good--see Ralph Hilton's write- ups for details. Ralph doesn't think much of any of the CofS meters, and I haven't seen anything contradicting his statements. The CofS isn't really supporting the Mark VI any more. I don't know if Gold will still silver-cert them. I heard that they would continue to do so until they ran out of parts, then after that they would not silver-cert them any more. {/PLAIN} Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 342 From: "Paul Adams" Date: Fri Aug 27, 2004 3:20 pm Subject: Re: [ifachat] Leaving the CoS/Missed Withholds --- XXXX wrote: > The orgs are operating on the "Underlying all ARC breaks lies a > missed > withhold" > > This is in the VMH but when you track it down - it's LRH addressing > auditors and pointing out that when an auditor misses a withhold > there is > sure to be an ARC break with that auditor. The way it's put in the > VMH is > certainly useful to the church. And yet - it is not really altered > tech - > just out of context and altered emphasis. > > And of course for those that are familiar with generalizations the > words > ALL and EVERY should make one suspicious. > > Thank you for sharing your experience. > > Regards, > > XXXX > {PLAIN} When I was the Sec Checker School Sup I got very familiar with the concept of withholds and missed withholds, including the non-overt variety. I remember one lunchtime shortly after I had been figuring things out about this. The person opposite me said "Pass the salt", not to anyone in particular. No-one passed the salt (including me). The person waited for ten seconds, then said in an exasperated tone "PASS THE SALT!" I realized it was an ARCX stemming from a missed withhold. The original communication was never received (to his perception, anyway), and it should have been. See the definition of "Inadvertent Withhold" in the Tech Dictionary if needed. Just because it wasn't in session doesn't change the phenomenon. This happens with me on a different flow too. My hearing is a little shaky, and I sometimes ask people to repeat things. Often the person will *explain* what he meant, rather than just saying the words again, which is all that I wanted. I get exasperated at my communication not being accepted--the explanation he is trying to give me doesn't as-is the fact that I don't know what words he originally used. Again, it is an ARCX stemming from what is in effect an inadvertent withhold: my communication to "repeat the words" was not accepted and in my consideration should have been. My ARCX does not start at the point I don't get what he said, but it starts at the *exact* point I decide he didn't get what *I* said. And knowing the exact mechanism at work does not stop the exasperation! The datum "All ARCXs stem from MWHs" is not necessarily false, to my way of thinking. ..Oh, something just occurred to me. Sometimes a person posting to a list gets exasperated by the lack of feedback on something. I suppose it is the same phenomenon, a not-knowing if the communication was ever accepted in the way it was intended. I guess it all comes down to expectation. {/PLAIN} Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 343 From: {Paul] Date: Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:46 pm Subject: Re: [FreezoneOrg] Watch out for false emails potential virus --- XXXX wrote: > > --- XXXX wrote: > > > xxx@xxx [Paul's current e-mail address] Mail Delivery (failure > > xxx@xxx) > > Fri 08/27 41k > > xxx@xxx Re: Sex pictures > > > > > > I just got these two in today. > > Just a reminder to not fall into trap of opening > > thinking it's from > > one of us normal posters. The email addresses are > > very similar. > > > > Thanks, XXXX > > > > p.s. and they seem to have the same 41K's worth of > > msg. > > > > I've been rejecting all bulk emails without first > > checking with bona > > fide poster to see if they sent me anything. > > > XXXX is correct. the mails with Virus's usually > appear as 42 or 43 KB. Thats with an attachment. Do > not open unless you have verified it with original > poster. Some of the apparent posters are FZorg > members. "Owner" and "moderator " get more of these. > One can send to "owner"etc. > > I don't understand how they get on main list. i'm > no expert here. Also they may come on main e-mail > inbox and not bulk or junk mail. They do for me. > > XXXX {JOKE} Hey--are you calling me a "normal poster"? I resent that! {/JOKE} {PLAIN} Just a note: I don't have any way of sending an e-mail directly from my computer. I only ever use web-based e-mail. Also that "xxxx" address I use and that was spoofed as the virus source is not subscribed to FreezoneOrg. So if I unknowingly got infected with a super-smart virus that somehow evaded my anti-virus software, it would have to be intelligent enough to correctly configure an e-mail program from scratch, clobber my firewall to death, enrol in FreezoneOrg and get approved by bb without him noticing, download the e-mail addresses of group members, send itself out, unenrol from FreezoneOrg without bb noticing, erase the e-mail program, and then erase itself from my computer, all without leaving a trace. Man, if I found a virus that clever--and compressed into 41k too--I'd marry it. Now that everyone knows this virus comes packaged at 41k (or 42k or 43k sometimes), a cunning malicious sender might add 10k or so to the message without having to mess with the attachment, so it then shows as 65k and someone might innocently open it thinking it's safe as it's not 41k any more. If anyone can safely open the virus-laden message that said it came from that "savvyguy" address, please post the full headers (not the virus!) to the group. That goes for any other copies of this virus being passed around too. I can guarantee that the "savvyguy" one didn't come from my computer. It would be very interesting (and hopefully useful) to compare headers from as many examples as possible. {/PLAIN} Paul http:www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 344 To: freezoneorg@yahoogroups.com From: [Paul] Date: Sun Aug 29, 2004 9:27 pm Subject: Re: [FreezoneOrg] A Hobby Horse {PLAIN} I'm trying out a new e-mail account. My usual ones still work. I don't know if this e-mail program puts an angle bracket before the previous post or not, so we'll see what happens. I'm posting on top of the previous message for that reason. I've read a lot of sci-fi. I have weighty philosophical problems with "Last Time Around", or the idea that we're just running through a live action replay of events that have happened before. The problems lie in the area of "free will". For that reason, I view any claims of such a reality with extreme scepticism and look for other explanations. Such as: 1. Studios release different cuts of a movie with different scenes for different markets, and don't always label the differences. 2. Buildings do get remodeled on the inside, and on the outside, and sometimes completely demolished and a different building erected on the same spot. 3. Memory can often play tricks with one, and is notoriously unreliable, as is well-known to most individuals, auditors, psychologists, courts, and others. Having said that, I have also experienced deja vu, and have no good explanation for the phenomenon. Past life familiarity of some physical universe location could account for some small part of my deja vu experiences, but not most. {/PLAIN} Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:15:06 -0600, XXXX wrote: > Hi All, > > One of my interests is time travel books. I just re-read "The Man > Who > Folded Himself" by David Gerrold. Awesome book, but I think the > original edition was better. Or maybe I was just younger. :-) > > Brings to mind The Pilot's "Reset Time" theory. > > Which brings to mind the times that things in my life have changed. > > I am sure a few of you have seen my posts on this to other lists. > > Several times in my life I have had reality change. > > A building that I had know of was suddenly a different building. A > movie I had seen was different the next time I saw it. > > I have seen Bob Hope have a funeral three different times. Not > personally, but on TV. Each one separated by years. > > It seems to me that reality changes. Some of the changes, for > whatever reason, I have been aware of. > > Anyone else have this happen? > > And no, I do not think I am nuts. But it sound like it, huh? > > Any input will be appreciated. You can reply privately too. Or if > you want more details. > > Best, > > XXXX






Message 345 From: Paul Adams To: ifachat@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 02:24:56 -0700 Subject: Re: [ifachat] Re: Is something funny On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:01:51 -0000, XXXX wrote: > Dianetics handles the body, so if you've got unwanted Attitudes Emotions > Sensations or Pains try Dianetics! {PLAIN} Question, not for XXXX especially: If I have an unwanted attitude, stemming from some past life cause, and I handle it with R3RA, how is that "handling the body"? Seems to me like it's handling the thetan. {/PLAIN} -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 346 From: Paul Adams Date: Wed Sep 1, 2004 7:41 pm Subject: Re: [ifachat] Leaving the CoS/Missed Withholds --- XXXX wrote: > Dear Paul, > > Couldn't the phenomena being experienced by the instances you give be > > explained by: > > "A failure to complete a cycle of communication will leave some part > of > that communication in suspense. It will leave it, in other words, > silent, > and this will stick on the track. It will float in time. > It will restimulate. It will attract and hold attention long after it > occurred. > > Unconsciousness itself results from the receipt of too much, too > heavy, > communication." extract from Dianetics 55. > > XXXX {PLAIN} I don't think so. I did a careful inventory of some incomplete comm cycles I had. That they were merely incomplete did not seem to matter a whole lot. What made them charged were the factors of expectation and importance. The ones I had the most attention on were ones where I expected the recipient to have received the communication and to have replied to me by then, and also where the cycle was important to me. The flow is also different. The incomplete comm cycles with the most attention on for me were ones where I assumed my comm had been received and I was waiting for an answer; the missed withhold type comm cycles with my attention stuck on were where I considered my communication had not been received fully. {/PLAIN} Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 347 From: Paul Adams Date: Wed Sep 1, 2004 9:42 pm Subject: [ifachat]Gmail Invites {PLAIN} I am giving away Gmail invites. Free. No strings attached. What's a Gmail invite? Gmail is Google's new e-mail service. It is REALLY nifty. Google explains it at http://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/about.html . One thing they don't emphasize is that since it is only on limited release, there are still lots of good names left. So if your name is Jimmy Snipso, there's a good chance you can get jimmy.snipso@gmail.com and don't have to settle for jimmy.snipso.ssn.609.11.9764.born.11.9.1964@gmail.com. Or you can get big.thetan@gmail.com. Or whatever. I take a perverse delight in the idea of FZ people getting the hot Scn names before churchies. I will be posting fresh invites here daily at odd times. When I post the next one or ones, I will check the earlier ones and indicate which have been taken so you don't waste your time clicking on used-up links. The invites are valid for three weeks maximum. They are fresh when I first post them. Here are some other things they don't tell you. You can put periods (dots) in the name you choose, but it is the sequence of letters that counts, except when logging in. So if sweet Evie with the unfortunate name chooses Eve.Nuglier@gmail.com, then that uses up that string of letters. Evie can log in as "Eve.Nuglier" or "eve.nuglier", but her address will display in the form it was capitalized (or not) when she first made up the account. If someone sends an e-mail to evenuglier@gmail.com she will get it, and she also would if the e-mail was sent to ev.enu.glie.r@gmail.com. Every now and then, Google will allow a Gmail account to issue six invitations to "a friend". I am assuming everyone who reads this is a friend. So please don't take more than one, and allow others to share in the bounty. If you really, desperately need a Gmail address in the next ten minutes and there are none available here, go and buy one (or more) from eBay. The going rate is under $1 each and some sellers promise instant delivery (like within ten minutes if you pay via Paypal). Go to my usual fzglobal site and click on the "Gmail Invites" tab at the bottom. There are more available on my site, but here's the first one anyway: http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-dab520ecac-f0c0f5bcc5-2adddaa0d9 Have fun! {/PLAIN} Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 348 From: Paul Adams To: ifachat@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:15:25 -0700 Subject: Re: [ifachat] Re: Is something funny On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 22:10:31 +0200, XXXX wrote: > This to me looks like a tone scale consideration. Body plus thetan or > thetan alone depends on where one is on the tone scale. {PLAIN} Please amplify. {/PLAIN} > I don't think that one should separate the body and thetan for auditing. {JOKE} Yeah, a lot of people complain about the idea of getting rid of their bodies in order to have a good session. {/JOKE} > Even a touch assist which is usually used to address a body problem is > getting the thetan's attention on the body to facilitate healing. > > I have often wondered why a thetan in the upper reaches of the tone scale > manages to have a healthier body than someone vibrating on a coarse > wavelength's below two on the tone scale? Do pathogens and bacteria thrive > better in low tone operated bodies? {PLAIN} Looking at the thetan/mind/body/associated subtle energy fields as a whole makes it easier to pose and answer such questions. Not to do an A=A=A, but to recognize that the very visible defect in one bit might stem from a problem in a part not so visible. {/PLAIN} -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 349 From: Paul Adams Date: Thu Sep 2, 2004 4:41 am Subject: Re: [ifachat] not moving On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 20:42:30 -0700, XXXX wrote: > I'd prefer to find > someone within 30 miles, so that I could train and process without the > commute taking most of the time from away from clearing. {PLAIN} Now, if only it were possible to get good auditing by telephone.... {/PLAIN} -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 350 From: Paul Adams Date: Thu Sep 2, 2004 4:55 am Subject: Re: [ifachat] Re: Gmail Invites On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 03:13:34 -0000, XXXX wrote: > > Paul's got a dozen or three. Keeps him busy. ;) > > C. {PLAIN} Just in case that was a critical remark occasioned by the author taking more than one Gmail invite when he wasn't supposed to be greedy, I don't mind. :) Last time I checked I had ten invites left unused on my site. I do have more I can dig up when they run out. I would object to someone taking them and selling them on eBay, but it's OK as long as they are used. I am a definite believer in abundance as a solution to many ills. Not many people have taken a Gmail invite yet. This really is the time to get one. Wouldn't you like to have the cachet of an e-mail address like "john@hotmail.com"? Well, you still can. In a few years time I expect more people will have Gmail addresses than Hotmail addresses, as the service is much better and it isn't run by Microsoft.{/PLAIN} Make hay while the iron is hot! -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 351 From: Paul Adams Date: Thu Sep 2, 2004 5:06 am Subject: Re: [ifachat] not moving On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 21:55:11 -0700, XXXX wrote: > Well, now, it probably is. What about the training? That's a good point, > though. I could do most of my processing by phone, and then take retreats > for training. > > Got me thinking. > > XXXX {PLAIN} Heretical, XXXX. But XXXX just offered to help! {/PLAIN}{JOKE}She'll straighten you out.{/JOKE} {PLAIN} I've been wondering how to do some training by telephone and the Internet. Paul's Squirrel Academy is going to have to live up to its name. It would never do just to push the buttons of the churchie folk. I'm still working on it. {/PLAIN} -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 352 From: Paul Adams Date: Thu Sep 2, 2004 5:26 am Subject: Re: [ifachat] Re: Not Moving On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 22:10:52 -0700, XXXX wrote: > It would be great if we had a highly trained auditor around > for supervision, and to correct when there is a problem, etc. {PLAIN} A highly-trained auditor may be a great supervisor, or he/she may be a crappy supervisor. Supervision is a specialized tech and has its own training courses and expertise. It is unwise to assume that a person who knows the tech of auditing also knows the tech of supervision, just because he/she is "a tech person". {/PLAIN} -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 353 From: Paul Adams Date: Thu Sep 2, 2004 8:26 am Subject: Re: [ifachat] Re: Is something funny On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 05:45:46 -0000, XXXX wrote: > Hi, Paul. Rather trick question. If you have an unwanted attitude, > and you use R3RA, and it tracks down to a past life incident, then > the attitude would change on the body. Attitudes show on the body, > body stance, body position, jutting chin, twitching muscles in the > jaw, agressive walk. Or slumped shoulders (dejected attitude), for > another type of example. {PLAIN} My trusty Concise Oxford Dictionary defines attitude as: 1a. a settled opinion or way of thinking 1b. behavior reflecting this ("I don't like his attitude") 2a. a bodily posture 2b. a pose adopted in a painting or a play, especially for dramatic effect An online dictionary fleshes this out, but muddies it up and omits a bit to give: 1. a complex mental state involving beliefs and feelings and values and dispositions to act in certain ways; "he had the attitude that work was fun". 2. position or arrangement of the body and its limbs; "he assumed an attitude of surrender". 3. a theatrical pose created for effect; "the actor struck just the right attitude" The LX3 Attitudes list from the Clearbird materials follows. I have added my idea of which definitions would apply out of 1a, 1b, 2a only from the Concise OED definitions. Note that behavior is observed over a period of time, and bodily posture is momentary. I don't see that one can determine, say, "cruelty" from bodily posture alone, without the added inapplicable observation of noting that the subject is comfortably sitting on a starved pet ferret, say. I remember a drill on some checksheet (some CMO messenger drill, maybe) where the student had to note down the attitude of the coach just from looking at the coach, and I remember once showing the LX3 list to a coach when they couldn't think of any attitudes as distinct from moods. But I didn't show this list to any other students after I saw that it was unreal to ask a student (or a supervisor) to portray or recognize all these different attitudes one from another. I hadn't done this present analysis at the time. Treachery 1a 1b Disloyalty 1a 1b Helplessness 1a 1b 2a Hostility 1a 1b 2a Rudeness 1a 1b 2a Cruelty 1a 1b Disobedience 1a 1b Rebelliousness 1a 1b Wastefulness 1a 1b Stinginess 1a 1b Cowardliness 1a 1b (it's a propensity to be afraid, not necessarily showing fear at the time) Dirtiness 1a 1b Ungodliness 1a 1b Wickedness 1a 1b Cunning 1a 1b Criticism 1a 1b 2a Falsity ? Pretense 1a 1b Glee 1a 1b 2a Laughter 1b 2a Mockery 1a 2a Embarrassment 1a 1b 2a Feeling Hurt 1a 1b 2a Oppressive 1a 1b 2a Ridicule 1a 1b Good 1a 1b Persecution 1a 1b Betrayal 1a 1b Guilt 1a 1b 2a Almost all of these involve 1a, the complex mental state, and almost all of these also involve 1b, the long-term behavior aspect. One third show as instantaneous postures of the body, in my estimation. One can think of attitudes that are not on this list, but the point is that nowhere near all attitudes have specific, recognizable body postures associated with them. I still dispute that an unwanted attitude is mainly a body thing, but I am not necessarily going to say any more about it for now. {/PLAIN} -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 354 From: Paul Adams Date: Thu Sep 2, 2004 8:41 am Subject: Re: [formerscio] Anyone else ??? {PLAIN} Scuse me XXXX, but you, as usual, are full of it. I don't even know why you are on this FORMER-Scn list as you continually try to make nothing of views different to your own. This isn't a standard Scn list. I hate to engage in an ad feminam attack, but it seems fitting for once: Why don't you go and make nothing of yourself for a while? {/PLAIN} -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal ----- Original Message ----- From: XXXX Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 02:11:09 -0500 Subject: RE: [formerscio] Anyone else ??? To: formerscio@yahoogroups.com Scuse me XXXX, but you, as usual, are full of it. I don't even know why you are on a Scn list as you continually bend and reinvent evrything.






Message 355 From: Paul Adams Date: Thu Sep 2, 2004 6:10 pm Subject: Re: [ifachat] Re: Is something funny On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 10:52:33 +0200, XXXX wrote: > You can say or not say anything you want. The fact that LRH > counted attitude into the category of somatics makes them > a body thing. Right? {IRONY} Oh, right. Sorry. {/IRONY} -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 356 From: Paul Adams Date: Thu Sep 2, 2004 6:30 pm Subject: Re: [ifachat] Re: Gmail Invites On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 11:46:40 -0000, XXXX wrote: > Actually, it wasn't. It was a bit higher-toned. A little bit > flippant, but there was a willowy wisp of a smile on my face. I was > actually wondering how many customers they will eventually end up > with and the amount of storage that will entail and how Google plans > on funding that memory and server dedication. I'm glad you had more > in the wings, though. And how could they be sold on eBay if they're > going to be freely given by Google? {PLAIN} I'm a flippancy fan too. Believe it or not. Google is planning on funding Gmail by targeted ads, just like the key-word ads next to a Google search. You will find ads off to the right of the screen, but they are very unobtrusive and I don't even notice they are there unless I make a conscious effort to drag my eyeballs over in that direction. Try reading Ifachat with your regular e-mail program and also a Gmail one and see which you prefer. I'm not shilling for Gmail because I get a commission. I'm even putting up with their sans-serif font, and that tells you I like the other stuff a lot. The invites are being sold on eBay because the service is not generally available yet. If you go to Google and try to sign up for Gmail you'll see a notice that says it is in the testing phase still. There are still a dozen unused invites on my site. {/PLAIN} -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 357 From: Paul Adams Date: Thu Sep 2, 2004 6:56 pm Subject: Re: [ifachat] not moving --- XXXX wrote: > But as far as a > standard route of TRs training and E-meter course and auditor > training on the levels, there's really only one solution and that's > to bite the bullet and get oneself into a course room. XXXX's doing > it. Russia's doing it. I'm sure others are as well. But to make the > grade, one cannot accept shoddy substitutes, as someone once said. {PLAIN} Actually, XXXX isn't doing it. She would love to be doing it, but hasn't found a lot of interest in people wanting to invest the time/money/effort in becoming professional auditors so they can audit others. I think it sucks big-time too, but bemoaning it doesn't change the situation. If I could work as a full-time supervisor in a standard FZ flesh-and-blood courseroom, in acceptable circumstances, I would. I'm only even thinking of "shoddy substitutes" as there doesn't seem to be sufficient demand for the real thing. Famous quote: "A well-run course fills up". Hmmm. {/PLAIN} -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 358 From: Paul Adams Date: Thu Sep 2, 2004 7:32 pm Subject: Re: [ifachat] Re: not moving On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 19:07:37 -0000, XXXX wrote: > Good quote. I remember applying that one when I was a course supe > myself. Also as Tech Sec and Cramm Off and C/S. And it worked! Have > you thought of Reno as a possibility? You're good on web stuff and > internet so perhaps there's work in that field for you there. Just a > thought. {PLAIN} I've made an arbitrary decision that my future full-time work will involve delivering Scn tech one way or another. I'm not going to be completely pig-headed about it and end up begging on the street rather than work in a non-Scn job again, but that's my current viewpoint. {/PLAIN} -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 359 From: Paul Adams Date: Thu Sep 2, 2004 10:46 pm Subject: Re: [FreezoneOrg] Re: Gmail Invites On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 20:56:24 -0000, XXXX wrote: > > > First scoot over to the local CA newspaper websites and search the > internet for GMail... Theres always a catch when you are offered so > much disc space. Every email discussion is monitored for content and > then ads are injected into your mailbox and the mailbox of you > communicate with. Do yo like having your private emails scanned and > then spammed with ads based on what you and your friends discuss via > email? The CA justice system didnt like it so google is currently in > court trying to defend their actions. {PLAIN} Initially I didn't like the idea, I agree. But it is unrealistic to imagine that one's e-mail is not scanned by computer anyway, whether the ISP, Carnivore, or who knows who or what else. At least Google is being upfront about it. I see no reason to disbelieve their company motto of "Don't be evil." If I had stuff I wanted to hide I wouldn't e-mail it in plain text anyway. A sensible business model requires an exchange for providing a service. I find Google's unobtrusive ads off to the side far preferable to Yahoo's click every fourth message, and there are no banner ads flashing in your face like with some free web e-mail deals. For a free service, it seems to be outstanding. There are still a dozen free Gmail invites up for grabs on my site. {/PLAIN} -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 360 From: Paul Adams Date: Fri Sep 3, 2004 12:49 am Subject: Re: [ifachat] Re: not moving On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:20:27 -0700 (PDT), XXXX wrote: > It has to start with local div 6 activity. > A course room no matter how good can't fill without > that. {PLAIN} It can. Word of mouth. If one of my roomies came rushing excitedly up to me and said that across town someone is teaching a five-day Kflpting Course and she's just finished it and W-O-W-E-E-E-E Z-O-W-E-E-E-E!!! !! ! and I'd been trying to learn about kflpting for years I'd be over there like a shot. {/PLAIN} -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 361 From: Paul Adams Date: Fri Sep 3, 2004 7:45 am Subject: Re: [formerscio] Re: Anyone else ??? On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:04:41 -0000, XXXX wrote: > All I ever see is bitching {PLAIN} If you look over this thread, you will see that the bitching started with one enturbulative individual, and the later complaints were about her unreasonable communications and hers alone. She then announced she was leaving the group, thereby {/PLAIN}{JOKE}selflessly acting at a tone level of 4.0 in cutting an entheta line. Bless her little cotton socks. {/JOKE} -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 362 From: Paul Adams Date: Fri Sep 3, 2004 8:30 am Subject: Re: [ifachat] not moving On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 08:33:03 +0200, XXXX wrote: > Oh, please don't become bitter now. Paul has been in the position > of a full-time supervisor, who got his regging done for him, for > many many years. It is real to him and it not only can be done > but it has been done. In a group with a big enough org board he > might even need help by a wordclearer, a course admin etc. {PLAIN} Love ya XXXX, but I wasn't really thinking that at all. Sure it would be nice, but it isn't the current scene. My idea of "being a full-time supervisor" included the sweat and blood of building up a courseroom from scratch with a space, materials, regging students, scheduling them, getting them to study, handling them when they show up late, a little luxury of supplying references or debugging study problems, then back to all the other stuff involved as well. I do sometimes reach for the stars, but I try to be grounded too. Now, where did I see that picture recently...? (/PLAIN} -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 363 From: Paul Adams Date: Fri Sep 3, 2004 9:03 am Subject: Re: [ifachat] Re: not moving ----- Original Message ----- From: XXXX Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 00:09:58 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Subject: Re: [ifachat] Re: not moving To: ifachat@yahoogroups.com > However the C/S accused me of "Criminal, > Squirrel Auditing"; Auditing over the phone and > without a meter. > > There you go. I didn't question the C/S. {PLAIN} There's a neat way of handling situations like this. A smart tech C/S, working in a regular org environment, would write a heavy cramming order based on the regular HCOBs violated, with a copy to the pc folder etc. so that his ass would be well covered. The auditor would get together with a wise Cramming Officer, who would take the trouble to fully duplicate the scene as well as get off any relevant charge in flying cramming ruds. What's better: the best tech possible to deliver in the circumstances or perfect tech not delivered at all and a dead pc. Hmmm, tricky one.... Then after a decent time spent in the Cramming Office, any appropriate correction is ordered by Qual and done (which may well be minimal), everyone saves face, the auditor continues to audit with his confidence untroubled, the execs are happy as even though it looked a bit odd Qual said it was OK and Qual in that org has a deserved reputation for effortless competence, and life goes on. However, I can't say that things always worked out like that in the orgs I was in! {/PLAIN} -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 364 From: Paul Adams Date: Fri Sep 3, 2004 6:50 pm Subject: Re: [ifachat] Re: Alien Radio Signals? ----- Original Message ----- From: XXXX Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:48:58 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Subject: Re: [ifachat] Re: Alien Radio Signals? To: ifachat@yahoogroups.com > Any way. I would look in the noisiest part of the sky and the > noisiest or mid part of the Frequency spectrum for our friends. {JOKE} I'll ask my reptiloid associates where they would suggest hunting. {/JOKE} -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 365 From: Paul Adams Date: Sat Sep 4, 2004 6:43 am Subject: Re: [FreezoneOrg] The Original Workable Philosophy of Lafayette Ron Hubbard On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 06:59:17 +0100, XXXX wrote: > Greetings to Michael and to all others on this discussion list. > {PLAIN} Greetings. I don't recall ever meeting you although I knew your wife a bit, assuming that your wife is/was the Erica who was SH Fdn Receptionist around 1979 or so. At the time I was FBO AOSHUK but used to pick up the SH Fdn GI at night for Mike Neil, and I would occasionally chat with Erica on my way out of the reg office and bookstore. > Both will appear to be roaring and carrying on like a pair of banshees but > it SHOULD be possible (in theory) to detect that the actual statements are > quite analytical in their content. I find it quite rare that people on the Internet analytically use the tone scale as a tool of expression. In my experience if antagonism is apparent it is usually because the writer is dramatizing that tone level. The FZ Flame newsgroup carries some examples of playful use of lower tones, but I think that in a regular newsgroup what appears to be covert nullification, for instance, is simply the writer reactively dramatizing in that tone band. > None of my comments above or elsewhere are ever intended to make anyone > wrong, only to get everyone, including Conservative Clears, OTs and > Practitioners to consider additional viewpoints. "Considering additional viewpoints" is the crux of the matter. Hard to do when one *knows* one is right! I appreciate yours, XXXX. {/PLAIN} -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 366 From: [Paul] Date: Sat Sep 4, 2004 9:10 am Subject: [FZA Discussion Board] Re: Chuck Beatty Spills the Beans Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 09:18 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- {PLAIN} As I said, I met Chuck a few times. He is a really nice guy. It is always a shock when you find out that someone like that thinks Scn doesn't work. The last time that happened for me was with Astra Woodcraft, as we worked in the same org (ITO) for years. She seemed like a real person too, unlike many on staff who were out-of-valence. I am always curious in such cases about what might have been missed. One cannot know with certainty if the person has gone and won't communicate about it, and it would be incorrect to just guess and assert that you have the right item. In Astra's case she really didn't get any proper auditing to speak of, quite apart from whatever other abuse she received. Chuck says somewhere in one of his posts that he had trouble being duplicated by auditors, and he also gives some circumstances in which he would look into Scn again. I would be more interested in noticing out-tech in his auditing than in invalidating him. Can you imagine an FES that merely makes the pc wrong being accepted as useful? It is exasperating to supposedly devote your life to helping others get this great tech and then be denied it oneself. Having 5,000 hours (or whatever) of FPRD but not ever having the opportunity of getting past Grade III after 25 years qualifies as being denied the tech in my book. The SO excels in such denial. I collected up his posts and made them available as I found his stories interesting and I thought others might too. If you are not interested, then don't read them. Why pollute the environment with only negative criticism? A future project of mine when I run out of important stuff to do is to collect up the last 100 or so of LR's posts and do a tone-scale analysis of them. Hey LR: Where do you think I should post that analysis so it doesn't reflect badly on me? [in response to an earlier post of LRs commenting that my "hosting" Chuck's posts is not a feather in my cap] {/PLAIN} [Paul]






Message 367 From: XXXX Date: Sat Sep 4, 2004 9:11 am Subject: [FZA Discussion Board] Re: Chuck Beatty Spills the Beans Posted on Saturday, September 04, 2004 - 01:56 am: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- {PLAIN} I am not hosting Chuck's posts on my own site. I have a few discrete sites on Freewebs.com because I find Freewebs.com very user-friendly, so it can get confusing. But Chucks posts are standalone and not linked with my sites at all. There are some similarities in appearance as I mostly cut and pasted the HTML so as to minimize the work involved. If I did have Chuck's posts on my site, it would be under the usual disclaimer of "The Management does not necessarily agree with all views posted by others" or similar. However, I decided at the outset to restrict the stuff under my "FZ Global" banner to my own work apart from incidental writings of others left in various posts to impart context to what I write. And some links to others in the FZ. I like Chuck. As bb notes, if not in quite the same words, he managed to survive at Int level orgs for 25 years without having had the love for others beaten out of him. Which is remarkable, and says a lot for the guy. I don't agree with all his evaluations, but I am not challenging his statements of events. I collected his posts for the wealth of data in them, not to endorse his opinions. I wasn't over the moon about some of his ideas, but it was unthinkable to censor them, so I left it up to the reader to make his own decisions. This is the FZ, after all, and not an insipid churchie non-discussion list. "Someone critical of anything needs his ruds flown" is not a true statement, XXXX. "Overly critical", yes. The degree of criticism to extend is sometimes a nice decision. {/PLAIN} Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 368 From: Paul Adams Date: Sat Sep 4, 2004 8:09 pm Subject: Re: [ifachat] Digest Number 152 On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:27:27 -0700 (PDT), Roland Aldridge wrote: > a thetan by itself has nothing to think with, > unless he creates something to think with. He only > *is* in PT, he isn't naturally equipped with memory > banks and all that sort of thing. He is a zero! It > means zero, not a sense of self awareness and > memories and an internal sense of personal continuity. > All that is added, and is either automatic or > conscious or reactive, but it isn't native to the > thetan. {PLAIN} Interesting ideas, Roland. I agree that I have been surprised to discover various things I had assumed to be thetan-based were changed by addressing the body. Examples: a long-term ridging on receiving orders disappeared immediately after killing body bugs with a Hulda Clark zapper (it comes back after a week or so, presumably along with the bugs); and a lifelong distaste for doing the physical work involved in tidying up my personal living space or gardening disappeared for a couple of weeks after getting a ten-minute applied kinesiology meridian-balancing session. Plus I observed some loss in memory as well as loss in motor skills after a stroke. However, what about whole-track memory? What about, to keep it IFAchat-friendly, handling pre-MEST Universe basic incidents while running FPRD? Or pre-meat-body incidents? And how is it that memories from an earlier lifetime show up if the thetan does not have a sense of personal identity to carry forward? Even if the thetan's memories are stored in some central morphogenetic field, rather like one's archived Gmail messages being stored on Google's central computers and not on one's home computer, there must still exist enough sense of personal identity to trigger my earlier similars in my sessions and not Rasputin's. Some whole-track memory may be illusory, but not all. If it isn't being carried forward by the thetan, then by what?{/PLAIN} -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 369 From: Paul Adams Date: Mon Sep 6, 2004 6:09 am Subject: Re: [FreezoneOrg] Re: The Future of Earth - basic basic and Michael Moore On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 00:35:06 -0000, XXXX wrote: > The only way to do this is to create an association to which all > groups can belong and from which they can receive support. {PLAIN} I agree an association like this can be useful. But what support? What Theo was expressing a need for, and what I tried to make a start on supplying, was admin help in a form that is useful. "It's all in policy--just look there!" is not sufficient. I haven't done a careful survey of the scene with regard to FZ groups, but I guess it's a pretty rag-tag bunch of scattered units, one or two people mostly, largely operating by themselves, except some auditors will have paired up with some C/Ses. I imagine green-on-white is a dirty word and associated in an A=A fashion with the CofS and so must be very bad. I hear there are some larger groups, orgs even, in Western and Eastern Europe. There they probably don't even have much translated green-on-white to be contemptuous of. Although if they don't have a lot of experience of the CofS, the same A=A might not exist to such an extent. What is LRH policy? I look on it as basically codified actions that he had found to be broadly successful. The support that I see as essential for a struggling individual or group is to provide LRH admin/policy (and to a lesser extent, local successful actions) in a form that is usable. "Read the Service PL" or "It's in KSW" is fine as far as it goes, but one can be a lot more helpful than that. If one assumes that group members at the receipt point know nothing about LRH policy, and don't even have an OEC Volume 0 to hand, that is a safe starting point. Routing forms are a fantastic idea! It's not my bright idea. It's LRH's bright idea. I can't give you a reference, but even if it were Otto Roos's idea it doesn't detract from how clever it is. A set of well-written routing forms enables an org to operate when almost no-one in it knows anything about admin. My idea of a basic set of admin tools that should be on the IFA site, so that any FZ individual or group can access them, would consist of: 1. An org board for an individual or group, that lists out by division the basic functions that should be done by that individual or group. Make it a paper-label org board, then it can be printed out and stuck on someone's wall, with names added, then when anyone needs to see whose job it is to handle the woof-woofs, as no-one seems to be doing it, there it is plain as day for anyone to see. Also the major products of the divisions would be listed. 2. A set of routing forms for the major particles that the individual/group handles. I made an example of one at http://www.freewebs.com/fzadmin/fzrf_01.htm . The functions on the RF, or at least the major ones, should be listed on the org board (it's an organizING board). 3. A set of programs that list out the major things that the various posts should be doing to get products out, in sequence if needed. Some programs would be wholly within a division, some would cross divisions. 4. Checklists by post or division of actions that need to get done routinely and stay in. One problem with the program approach is that an action that should stay in (like calling roll on time) gets done one or twice so that the program target can get "complied to" and then it might get forgotten about. Since the individual/group is not going to be sending compliance reports to some outside vampire body, there is no need for the false compliance. But a checklist that can be printed off each day and says it's a daily checklist is more useful than a program that contains continuing targets next to once-only targets. 5. An admin scale, against which random orders/policies etc. can be evaluated to see if they are worth considering or should be trashed. Example: a very gung-ho new Scio joins the group, and says he is an expert at horticulture, and has a very large plot where the group can grow cheap vegetables and sell them to make money. Should the group spend time doing this? 6. Full hatting with a checksheet and pack is of course very desirable, but with little more than the above, the group can get going in a high roar. When a new person arrives on staff, all hot-to-trot, you do the basic stuff on the new-person-onto-staff routing form, give him an appropriate program and a daily checklist, tell him which targets to do in which sequence, and he instantly knows what he is supposed to be doing and has the confidence that if he does what is written down there he is doing his job, and he doesn't have to get in everyone's hair trying to find out what to do next. Is anyone in IFA doing anything like this? Is anyone in IFA surveying to find out what is needed or wanted? Is anything like this even on IFA's org board? My main interactions with IFA personnel on a technical basis have been two: an "official" pronouncement about my OT2 and OT3 checksheets which may or may not have been retracted (the pronouncement, not the checksheets); and my trying to shame Pierre into condemning the horrible out-tech of TT's IC2 which he still REFUSES to do after twelve weeks.{/PLAIN} {IRONY}It's kind of amusing that Paul Adams seems to care more about KSW than Pierre Ethier, don't you think?{/IRONY} But I digress. If someone at IFA has done a needed/wanted survey and is providing for the needs Theo mentioned, I haven't heard about it. -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 370 From: [Paul] Date: Mon Sep 6, 2004 6:19 am Subject: [FZA Discussion Board] Old Folk in the CoS Posted on Sunday, September 05, 2004 - 01:38 am: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gee, I just discovered the different colors. Sorry! {PLAIN} There is a somewhat confidential HCO PL, not in the OEC volumes, that makes more sense as a Flag Order than a PL, with routing to org FP Committees and similar posts. It states that when staff members being supported by the org--like in the SO--get too old to hold a post they should be put on half pay and looked after and allowed to produce whatever they can. It is a reasonable, compassionate issue, and it is the only written policy I have seen, LRH or otherwise. Any more savage written policy would be PR dynamite. What might happen with individual cases is something else entirely. If such a person put out to pasture has the firmly held belief that next lifetime with a fresh, healthy body, full of life, is only a day or week or month away; and all one's peers have a similar idea; and one considers that it is one's duty to contribute to the group and not to be solely contributed to; I suspect it would be very hard to keep oneself alive in such a non-contributive position. Offloading such people from the SO when they become a drain on resources is not on-policy, for what it's worth. However, there is a general group agreement that it's "only" a body and "you can get another one easily". Even if it is not said outright, one would very rapidly get the idea of the "right thing to do". {/PLAIN} [Paul]






Message 371 From: Paul Adams Date: Mon Sep 6, 2004 6:58 am Subject: Re: [ifachat] Digest Number 152 On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 22:21:43 -0700 (PDT), Roland Aldridge wrote: > when > they view them while in their body they are viewing > them via the body's mechanisms and computing ability, > which alters the way the incidents really were. {PLAIN} I agree that long-ago incidents are viewed from the awareness and understanding of the person in present-time, however they may have been perceived at the time. Just as verbal (i.e. in words, not necessarily spoken) parts get translated into English or some other familiar language, so physical events get translated into familiar forms. I don't agree that it is the body per se doing this, but the agency by which this familiarization occurs is not nearly as important as the fact that it does occur. > You > have to restrict yourself to concepts, postulates, > intentions etc., not feelings, visions, story lines > and so on because the former don't get interpreted for > you by the body, but the latter do and therefore can't > get as-ised. In FPRD you go for intentions and > confusions, and spot the first moment of the latter, > NOT engrams and incidents and "What do you see?" My understanding is that you have to release/discharge the forces, the masses, the main charge--however that is accomplished--so that once it is relieved the consideration/postulate level stuff will show up and can then be viewed fully and re-evaluated and left in place or discarded as appropriate. I don't recall finding narrative-type stuff very important (myself as a pc) in doing this discharge, apart from early on in auditing. But viewing the efforts directly; viewing the feelings directly; viewing the thoughts directly; I found these produced the discharge of mass despite the alter-is of scene being generated by whatever familiarizing mechanisms were at work. Mummy killing Daddy is not aberrative. Protesting it is. {/PLAIN} -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 372 From: Paul Adams Date: Mon Sep 6, 2004 7:38 am Subject: Re: [FreezoneOrg] Re: The Future of Earth - basic basic and XXXX ----- Original Message ----- From: XXXX Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 23:57:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [FreezoneOrg] Re: The Future of Earth - basic basic and XXXX To: freezoneorg@yahoogroups.com > The main reason is that I do not consider it is my hat to go and > handle the squirrels of the world, I rather audit than go fighting > with the other practicioners out there. Hi XXXX, {PLAIN} All I have ever asked of Pierre in this regard is that he look it over and comment upon it publically. Tommy told me he would listen to Pierre, while he is not interested in my comments. I'm not interested in FZers fighting each other either. I don't recall making one critical remark about Tommy (although I have about IC2)--all my posts are on my web site so if anyone can find one I'll give you a prize! {/PLAIN} -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 373 From: Paul Adams Date: Tue Sep 7, 2004 5:08 am Subject: Re: [ifachat] Digest Number 152-Re-Memory {PLAIN} On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:45:33 +0200, XXXX wrote: > A person can be helped within the structure of his or her personal > convictions. If someone believed that s/he was Rasputin - well then s/he > would pick up Rasputin in session. I can go along with someone believing they were Rasputin and (unknowingly) inventing past track in alignment with their own ideas of what would be appropriate. Are you suggesting that if someone were convinced they had been Rasputin they could then pick up genuine track of his? If this were a common phenomeon, one would have thought it to have been commented on by now in various books of past life regression and exploration under hypnosis etc. Persons under hypnosis would be sent into the lost memories of Tesla or Hitler with very little hesitation. Think of all the best-sellers that would come out of it! Where are they? > The paradox remains - Is it recall of a previous life or is it Theta > perception bridging space and time? I am not totally against the idea of an individual picking up anything off anyone's track, even Rasputin's, but it would seem to be considerably more difficult than accessing one's own. > As an experiment one could attempt recalling the last few minutes of a > passenger in a plane recently hi-jacked. Again, I see a marked lack of such documentation in the literature. I wouldn't want to pretend to be highly familiar with all such literature, but it is not a phenomenon commonly commented on, and I would suspect that is because it does not exist as such. Any experiment such as you suggest would have to involve something objectively verifiable outside the mind of the experimental subject (person, not topic), and a topic easier to verify than the one you suggest would be better. I would also think any experience full of violent emotion would do.... I just tried such an experiment, very sloppily of course, but just to get some vague idea of the subject matter. I held the cans on a responsive meter with a loose needle and looked for ANY recent traumatic moment involving ANYONE that I didn't have direct personal knowledge of. I didn't find anything. Which doesn't prove very much, and can be explained in any number of ways by all the armchair theorists and moralizers out there or anyone else who may be inclined to comment on why one shouldn't do such a thing but not to look for themselves. > We subscribe to sequential time and individual memory. Yes we do, and it has proven a very valuable model. If you had to sort through the memories of the last thousand people who put their car keys somewhere in order to find your own, life would be much more complicated. > And yet isn't time > only a perception and don't we have first dynamic and/or third dynamic memory? Sheldrake's morphic fields are an elegant way of trying to account for such things as a cell "knowing" how to divide and grow into a fully-formed adult; just as a regenerating salamander limb that has been truncated "knows" the type of tissue to grow next to form a proper limb or a nest of ants building a home "knows" the form of the complete structure and each individual ant does it bit correctly even though the whole job exceeds the lifetime of any one ant and there is no observed "supervisor" ant that coordinates the activities of all. However, with those and many more examples evident in the fifth dynamic, third-dynamic memory among humans once first-dynamic memory is excluded from consideration is more elusive. Can you cite any instances? {/PLAIN} -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 374 From: Paul Adams Date: Wed Sep 8, 2004 12:24 am Subject: Re: [ifachat] Re: Digest Number 152-Re-Memory On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 18:26:08 -0000, XXXX wrote: > And now I know why I never bothered to study Sheldrake - a fundamental > mistake is studying a rat to try to learn about people. Totally > looney. If you want to understand people, try studying people. :) > > XXXX {PLAIN} The most obvious current item on his website at http://www.sheldrake.org is a telepathy experiment involving the Nolan sisters, done in the presence of a television crew. {JOKE}Maybe he had run out of talking rats and was forced to use people as a last resort.{/JOKE} Sheldrake does experiments in a manner that is acceptable scientifically, at least among those willing to admit the possibility of his research being genuine. His results are analyzed using standard statistical methods. He is not dramatizing a hidden intention to harm and destroy. He is helping to make the world more aware of psi phenomena; he is also providing a possible theoretical basis for phenomena that are not adequately explained elsewhere. Pointing out to a receptive non-zealot that LRH said such-and-such in 1953 is not as acceptable as showing a published series of duplicatable experiments in a proper double-blind study demonstrating a similar result. Some movie critics have a slogan of "We see them so you don't have to." One can get into the frame of mind that it is only necessary to read LRH because he has distilled all the wisdom of the ages and if it's not in any of his writings, it's not worth reading. Is that a sensible viewpoint to adopt? I don't think a simple yes or no adequately answers the question. {/PLAIN} -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 375 From: Paul Adams Date: Wed Sep 8, 2004 3:16 am Subject: Re: [ifachat] Re: Digest Number 152-Re-Memory On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 02:31:17 -0000, XXXX wrote: > But XXXX does not deserve that kind > of rebuke. {PLAIN} What kind would you suggest, thou Master of Reproof? {/PLAIN} -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 376 From: Paul Adams Date: Mon Sep 13, 2004 6:59 pm Subject: Re: [ifachat] Real ots ? ----- Original Message ----- From: XXXX Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:00:49 +0200 Subject: Re: [ifachat] Real ots ? To: ifachat@yahoogroups.com > Re - raising tone: > My understanding is that you use a point or two higher than the lower > tone to raise tone. This is especially so with tones between apathy > and fear. > Antagonism is pretty good for someone in pain as long as the > antagonism is not directed at the person. > Boredom usually handles Antagonism. > Someone in grief requires sympathy. One needs to get the grief > expressed. Anger will drive a grief case into apathy. Actually the > chronic grief case is pretty hard to crack. Should be addressed with > auditing. XXXX {PLAIN} The datum I recall is "Go half to one tone above to bring a person uptone." I always used to take that literally, i.e. take the numerical value on the Expanded Tone Scale and add .5 to 1.0 to get the desired tone to present to bring someone uptone. But let's look at the real world. The grief one I am familiar with. Grief is a ridge at 0.5. Sympathy, at 0.9, does tend bring a person uptone a bit, as that expression of grief--the flow of tears, sobbing etc.--is slightly higher than the ridge. But 0.9 minus 0.5 is .4, which is not between a literal half and one (0.5 and 1.0), although it is in the ballpark of "about half to a whole tone". Antagonism at 2.0 and pain at 1.8 is a smaller gap still at .2 only. But if practical experience says this works, then it works. I know from my experience that if the tone level difference is too large, then it is unreal. I remember the lovely Trudy Chamberlin at Saint Hill in the 70s, who used to bound about in chronic enthusiasm most of the time. She was a real joy to have around but impossibly unreal to low-toned me who could rarely even stretch up to conservatism at the time. Until I read XXXX's post and started thinking about it, I assumed the ".5 to 1.0" rule came from some grand mechanics of thetan flows that I had never understood. But unless the observations cited were faulty, I guess that isn't so. {/PLAIN} -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 377 From: Paul Adams Date: Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:26 am Subject: [FZA Board] New R3X Course and Checksheet Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 02:21 am: {PLAIN} Paul's Squirrel Academy is very pleased to announce the release of an R3X Course and Checksheet. This is based on the developments of Robert Ducharme, of course. The checksheet and all the relevant articles can be found at http://www.freewebs.com/paulsr3x . The articles are listed on the site in alphabetical order, but an easier way to read them might be via the links on the checksheet, as they are presented in what I think is a sensible sequence. And if you don't want to read the whole of a write-up, scanning over the checksheet demos and drills should give you a rough idea of what is covered. Included in the drills are ones giving a gradient approach to telepathic remote metering, of course. {/PLAIN} Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






Message 378 From: Paul Adams Date: Fri Sep 17, 2004 3:38 am Subject: TT and IC2 and Pierre {PLAIN} Someone sent me a copy of an announcement from Tommy on his ICAUSE list that after visiting Pierre, Tommy has stopped delivering his contentious version of IC2. Good on the two of them for doing the right thing. {/PLAIN} -- Paul http://www.fzglobal.org or http://www.freewebs.com/fzglobal






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