Writings of Paul Adams:
Freezone Posts June 1, 2004 - June 16, 2004




Yahoo Groups (mostly) Posted Messages
NOTE: The messages below are in their original form, except they have been annotated in the following manner in order to clarify their meaning.

The tags {PLAIN} and {/PLAIN}, with curly brackets, have been placed at the start and end of text intended to be read as it is written. The tags {IRONY} and {/IRONY} have been placed at the start and end of passages that are intended ironically, and should not be taken literally. The tags {JOKE} and {/JOKE} have been placed at the start and end of passages which are to be taken as jokes. Jokes which have to be explained are not funny, so I haven't tried to explain any of them. If you don't get something labeled "Joke", you can ignore it.






Message 087 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:19:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lucky Duck" Add to Address Book Subject: Re: [fzaoint] Re: Auditors & C/Ss. To: fzaoint@yahoogroups.com > XXXX wrote: > > Hi, XXXX. Please explain Class IX to me. I heard > > it was Class IV > > trained to do certain Flag Rundowns. Is that > > correct? {PLAIN} Hi XXXX, Class IX was a course that came out after the Class VIII course to include new rundowns like the Int RD. There was no confidential data on it, IIRC, and the course checksheet was a BPL. But Class VIII was a pre-req. Those RD's were later incorporated into the "Senior SHSBC", with the "SHSBC" just covering the tech up to 1965 or so. This occurred in the mid-seventies, and the designation "Class IX" fell into disuse. It was revived around 1978 when NOTs came out, and became the Advanced Courses Specialist Course, the auditor training course for NOTs. The prerequisite was either Class IV or Grad IV, if I {IRONY}forget{/IRONY} correctly. Class VIII was *not* a pre-req, so the numbering is kinda funky, but calling a NOTs auditor a "Class IX" has a PR and status value, which I guess is why they did it like that. Plus there was nothing else to put the "Class IX" label on, and I guess they felt they couldn't just leave a hole as it might look bad. At various times since then there have been threats of making Class VIII a pre-req to the ACS Course, Class IX, which once had the effect of inducing AO's to send NOTs trainees off to Flag before the requirement went into effect. Now, I imagine the "crying wolf" effect has occurred, and it doesn't work any more. Since it doesn't follow from natural law or the mores of those concerned, i.e. you don't have to be a Briefing Course grad or a Class VIII to be a good NOTs auditor, it would be a difficult rule to enforce. {/PLAIN} Dee






Message 088 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:29:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lucky Duck" Add to Address Book Subject: And Now For Something Completely Different.... To: fzaoint@yahoogroups.com WIPED OUT AGAIN "Forget! Forget!" the voices say; "You have no past before today!" Particle-beams of colossal power Hack at me for hour on hour And slowly, slowly, just like before This life dims down to blaze no more. Id been in a body diseased and no use, Its parts once sprightly now aching and loose, And though I did yearn for the fulfilling nights And the passionate days and the sometime fist-fights Of my long-ago youth, yet I knew my lot Was to die and to rot. Everyone knows when you die, its done; You go all stiff and react to no-one. And maybe your "soul" goes off somewhere: But its not you--why the heck should you care? The end has come, there can be no doubt And all is black from here on out. So how come I watched them after I died From above my corpse? "He cant hear you" they lied. Some wouldnt look and some would stare, Yet one small child could see I was there And for a hearts beat we smiled at each other Till whack! off her feet she was struck by her mother. I remembered that smile, that girl I saw; Id known her in many a lifetime before. Once wed been lovers but eons ago And ever since then Id been hoping but no: Fate, fickle Fate, had other ideas And life after life lived up to my fears. One time Id be eighty and she would be ten; The next one the both of us ended up men. Or opposite sides in some trivial war Would separate us for a lifetime or more And sometimes a dozen lives went by Where we never once touched, she and I. But one always knows when the others about, Even though every lifetime we both get wiped out, To come back again and again and again, Sometimes as women and sometimes as men; Yet whatever the body, I know that smile, For it radiates more than Chernobyls pile. Back in the hungry dark of that room I craved for my body, stark in the gloom Till the stick-men came and bore it away To where six-legged mouths could help its decay And after a while when Id ceased to care I was wrenched to your-holy-man-doesnt-know-where. As a spirit I shrieked in this pitiless place, With electronic hellfire lancing my face, And the voices cut through the agony Which had shredded my will to go on being me: "Forget what has happened! You must not recall!" And "Look at your future--its right on that wall." Slowly and grayly I peered that way, Like millions of other poor souls each day. And now in defeat, limp and numb, I can only agree what I am become, And lo and behold it occurs as it seems: I come back to Earth and a fresh baby screams. Mass and confusion is all I have got, Trapped once again in a small bodys cot. I cant even make the damned thing squat, And I cry in frustration at Im-not-sure-what; But wait! See, big sister is smiling at me: That smile...that smile.... Dee






Message 089 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:34:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lucky Duck" Add to Address Book Subject: All About Dee To: fzaoint@yahoogroups.com {PLAIN} Surprise, surprise! My name is Paul Adams. I am 53, single, English, and do live in Los Angeles. I got into Scientology in London in 1972, and joined the Sea Org at Saint Hill after three weeks on the HAS Course. After basic training, I went into Treasury and then on as Flag Banking Officer. After a couple of years of that, I got busted and was a Letter registrar for a few years, then back on as FBO. I was OT III by then. I lasted a year this time, then had a cognition and switched to tech. I had already read all the books and tech volumes and listened to hundreds of tapes, but hadn't moved out of admin yet. I did the NED Course while on post as Director of Tech Services for the NOTs Unit and I also did DTS stuff for the AO, known as the Solo Tech Division on the org board and elsewhere on the planet, but as "the AO" at SH. Then around 1982 I got fully out of the NOTs Division and moved fully into the AO, with Chris Burton, John Harvey, Isla Pryde, Hugh Whitt, Peter Gallop and Mark Jefford there. I was DTSing for a bit and then I got "promoted" from my nice pleasant post of DTS to the hell-on-wheels of AO Tech Sec. I lasted on that for a year, then did word-clearer training and sup training and supervised Solo through OT III for 18 months. Then I got sent to LA in January 1986 to be part of an OSA Int IRS-handling unit. I wasn't qualified for OSA Int, which fact was known by them before I went over, but I was a "coin", a person with no worth other than his trade-in value. After a couple of months of limbo, I ended up back in tech in New World Corps as the Pilot Sec-Checker School Theory sup. I sup'd the academy levels as well as that sec-checker course, and some other stuff too. I got traded out of there a couple of years later and ended up again with OSA Int. I worked in Qual, being a course sup part-time and doing word-clearing and FDSing and tech services stuff. I wasn't qual'd to go into OSA Int proper, so I didn't get to go to the staff briefings etc. and I had no idea what really went on there. I didn't find out the real deal until I read the Internet after routing out of the SO in 1986. But I interacted with all the OSA Int staff at that time, so I did pick up bits of data here and there during the course of my routine work. In 1989 the Hollywood Guarantee Building on Hollywood Blvd. opened up, and OSA Int and all the other upper middle management orgs went there. The different orgs' personnel enhancement functions all got pulled into a single org, the International Training Org, which both serviced all the staff in the building and trained outer-org staff on new tech courses like Pro TRs, Key to Life, and admin courses like OEC and FEBC. So I went from OSA Int, where I felt out of place, to ITO where I felt at home. In ITO I held various posts, including Staff Courses Practical Sup, some Theory Sup for HGB staff and outer-org trainees at different times, OEC/FEBC sup for a little bit and OEC/FEBC Course Admin for six months, as well as about six months sup'ing OT I-III again for a dozen senior execs, various CO's in the HGB orgs and some missionaires about to be sent out as CO's. I also spent several months doing the HSSC Internship. After the final ethics cycle in which I'd been busted yet again for something that had nothing to do with my supervising, I decided that was it. Six months of routing-out later, four of it in the RPF, I was free. This was June 1996, after 23 years in the SO. During that time I made it up to OT IV; I did various courses including NED, HPCSC and Pro Word-Clearer Course, Data Series Evaluator Course, OEC Vol O, Key to Life Course, Key to Life Delivery Course, Life Orientation Course. Near the end of my sup life I suddenly realized that I should get my levels done, since I knew all the data and just had to go through the checksheets. I had a pc lined up for all the Levels auditing requirements, and figured I should be able to get through to Class IV within two or three months part-time. I got as far as auditing my pc on the final actions when I got dumped into that final ethics cycle. I had also done all of the SHSBC Level A except for the auditing. I was doing it while a sup at SH and I couldn't work the auditing into my schedule--you can't audit M1 at midnight. Since 1996 I worked at various Scn companies in Los Angeles. I have been reading about Scn on the Internet since 1996, but have kept a low profile. I went back to SH about a year ago. Isla is still in the AO and doing fine, bless her heart, and Chris is still there too but he was training at Flag at the time I visited. There's a photo of me at XXXX. Sorry for any previous misdirection. Hello again to anyone reading this who knows me. {/PLAIN} All the best, um...er....






Message 090 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:44:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lucky Duck" Add to Address Book Subject: Re: [fzaoint] All About Dee To: fzaoint@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX wrote: > Finally, Dee. And a picture, too? Really helps. Oh, where DOES the > Dee come > from? > Cool poetry! {PLAIN} Thanks. Here's an inconsequential story of a Yahoo ID, a spur-of-the-moment instant Yahoo ID that I hadn't intended to do much with, but I ended up using it and "can't stop using it now." Dickhead? Taken. Duckhead? Taken. Duckfoot? Taken. Dukfut? Ah. I had just read a Dilbert strip cartoon where the pointy-haired manager was talking to a female employee who wanted a special e-mail name for herself on the company e-mail system. The last picture and caption showed the employee walking away in a huff and the manager saying something like, "Oh that Brenda Utthead, always making trouble!" I thought it was funny. So since I had Dukfut that back-formed into D. Ukfut and the D expanded to Dee, and very occasionally Denise. I'm going to change ID's as soon as XXXX or XXXX gets online and lets me. {/PLAIN} P.






Message 100 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:05:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lucky Duck" Add to Address Book Subject: Re: [Richfriends] Check out Star of Trust To: Richfriends@yahoogroups.com {PLAIN} I can't be bothered to look this up on Google, but there may be better data there. At an event (early 80's?) DM or someone spoke about this thing. It had been awarded to Ray Mithoff and DM, or maybe one and not the other. It was a diamond or something like that on a campaign ribbon, bigger than the regular campaign ribbons, to be worn above all the other campaign ribbons. It indicated that LRH had unconditional trust in the wearer. The problem was that there was nothing, at least nothing I recall, in writing about the thing, and it obviously later was not considered to be valuable enough to flaunt around. Unless he's still wearing it and I never noticed! {/PLAIN} Dee --- XXXX wrote: > Star of Trust > > What the heck is this? > > Says the Star of Trust is who owns the church of Scientology. > > ARC, > > XXXX > > Any one know about this?






Message 101 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:05:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: Re: [fzaoint] Search Engine Ratings. To: fzaoint@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX wrote: > > > Great initiative on Blogs! > > Do we have anyone here expert on search engine > ratings? Specially for Google. > > I've been posting on newsgroups for years. I > thought > that should up ratings for fzaoint. I hasn't seemed > to. {PLAIN} Ralph is an expert on search engine ratings, I believe. Google ratings largely depend on something called "Page Rank", I believe. The more important the pages that link to you (not that you link to), the higher ranked your page gets. There's a nifty little tool-bar that you can download free from Google that you can squeeze onto your browser address line, that shows the Google Page Rank. The FZAOINT site is 5/10, for instance, which is very good as these things go. Clambake's site is 7/10 and the CofS main site is 7/10 too. There's a bunch of useful free info at http://www.searchenginestrategies.biz . {/PLAIN} Paul






Message 102 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:20:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: Re: [fzaoint]And Now For Something Completely Different.... To: fzaoint@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX wrote: > Hi, D. Send that to Poetry.com Cost you $10 but > would be great to > see it printed. Might cost more to get it printed. > Most of their > big poetry books are Christian beliefs, just a few > orignal free > thinkers. Yours would be a great contribution. Hi XXXX, {PLAIN} I've seen my stuff in print before, so it's not a button with me. I haven't written any new poetry in years. Having a poem in a six-inch thick book that might as well be entitled "Lovingly Written But Unbelievably Atrocious Crap, Volume 17", published by some vanity press or other, is not something an author wants to be known for. Thanks for the thought, though. I just post mine to Usenet somewhere to preserve them in Google's archives; and usually make them available together online in a free site somewhere without any bells and whistles. {/PLAIN} All the best, Paul






Message 103 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:29:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: Freezone Blogs To: fzaoint@yahoogroups.com {PLAIN} So, how many have YOU created so far using common Scn buzzwords? Go to http://www.blogger.com or http://www.blogdrive.com . It only takes a couple of minutes to sign up and create an anonymous, free blog. Then create another one. And another one. See examples at http://modelsession.blogspot.com and http://on-source.blogspot.com and http://oktoaudit.blogspot.com and .... I haven't made up many for blogdrive: gotta leave some for the rest of you to do! Hurry up before the CofS gets them and then they will look like http://freezone.blogspot.com or worse for ever. It's a PR game, either good PR for the CofS or good PR for the FZ, depending on who gets there first. Which includes you. If YOU personally do ten, right now, it's less than an hour's work, and that would help an awful lot with the FZ's expansion. If you don't have an hour, at least do ONE. You have the time to be reading this message, don't you? {/PLAIN} Paul






Message 104 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:35:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: Re: [fzaoint] Re: And Now For Something Completely Different.... To: fzaoint@yahoogroups.com {PLAIN} (Various comments re poetry publishing snipped) Jeez guys. Here's the scoop. There are some companies that perform a service, which is basically vanity publishing. If a regular publisher likes your stuff, you pay zip, he pays you royalties depending on how many copies of the book sell. A vanity publisher is one who will publish *anything*, of whatever quality, and you are the one that pays for it. With poetry they collect say 500 poems from 400 people, each of whom pays $50 or whatever. With that 400 x $50, 410 copies of the book get printed and the publisher gets paid his salary and overhead. Each of the "poets" get his copy of the book and is so chuffed to see his masterpiece in print he omits to notice anything else about the book. It's not even really a scam, as the people are usually quite satisfied with what they get for the money. But in case you hadn't noticed, I am not interested. Spend your creative energy making up some free blog websites to attract some more people to the auditors here. I keep going on about the importance of using Scn buzzwords like http://8-8008.blogspot.com . {PLAIN} Paul






Message 105 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:00:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: Re: [fzaoint] DMSMH online - oops!! To: fzaoint@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX wrote: > Just wanted to let everyone know that (although I > didn't realize it when I posted the link), accessing > the online version of DMSMH requires a person to set > up a user account on the COS website. Sorry about > that folks... {PLAIN} Oh. And I had thought for a moment they were starting to change from money-grubbing to trying to clear the planet. Silly me. {/PLAIN} Paul P.S. Everyone making up some free blog websites with Scn buzzwords yet?






Message 106 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:29:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: Re: [fzaoint] Re: DMSMH online - oops!! To: fzaoint@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX wrote: > Right, that was what I thought too (I was a bit > excited)... actually > it doesn't cost anything, but you have to 'register' > with them. > That's free too and of course you can just do what I > did and us > false information. {PLAIN} Then I withdraw my grubby comment and genuinely applaud them instead. Requiring some kind of registration in exchange for free data is perfectly acceptable business practise. I hope they provide more LRH data free online--it is a definite step in the right direction. {/PLAIN} Paul






Message 125 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:38:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: Re: [fzaoint] Re: Freezone Blogs To: fzaoint@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX wrote: > What's the point if there are not links to sites > where people can get > in touch with freezone tech? {PLAIN} The point is to get a whole bunch of blog sites set up now, and then make them fully functional later. Make up a site now using a valuable address and you "reserve" that address. If you spend an hour now making one perfect, you use up 55 minutes you could have spent reserving another dozen or so others. There's no hurry to reserve "dianeticaxiom87.blogspot.com" as it's not a valuable address. http://in-tech.blogspot.com is. {PLAIN} Paul






Message 126 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:39:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: RE: [fzaoint] Freezone Blogs To: fzaoint@yahoogroups.com {PLAIN} Just in case you were thinking we only had a few, here's a list of blogger sites done. I have another 90 that are in place but need tidying up and are not listed below, but I want to go to bed soon. In case you think these sites will disappear into some search engine black hole, listen up. I have a couple of blogs I have been running for about three months, at http://foodreplicator.blogspot.com and http://foodreplicator.blogdrive.com . The domain name http://www.foodreplicator.com forwards into the blogspot blog. The title of each blog is "Food Replicator". I chose the name because it is appropriate to what the blogs are about, which is a device I designed that is somewhat similar to the famous "Star Trek" food replicator, although it is a real world device and not a fictional one. I just checked and the search term "food replicator" gives no hits on the first five screens for Google, but the blogdrive blog is the #1 hit on Yahoo and the blogspot one doesn't appear in the first five screens. So it could just be that if you have a blog called "Positive Postulates" and it is hosted at positivepostulates.blogspot.com, then in a few months time someone searching in a search engine for "positive postulates" might turn up our FZ blog at the #1 hit. Pretty nifty, huh? So keep on registering the sites, please. I can't do them all. {/PLAIN} All the best, Paul






Message 107 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:59:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: Re: [fzaoint] FZ blogs with Scn terms To: fzaoint@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX wrote: > Ah, so you're creating 100+ blogs with no links and no way to be > found. Then you're going to go back and add links to each one, and > then you're going go post links to the blogs around somewhere? {PLAIN} I have created 400+ blogs with URL's like http://in-tech.blogspot.com and matching titles like "In-Tech". The sub-heading that goes with the blog title of "In-Tech" is "Tech outside the C of S". Clicking on that site reveals: "Welcome to the Freezone!" (Heading) and "Check out fzaoint.net [this is a clickable link, not just text] or write Terrill Park at bbafzao@hotmail.com for details." Click on the link above and check it out for yourself. In a recent post I mentioned a couple of blogs called "XXXX" at the address xxxx.blogspot.com and xxxx.blogdrive.com that I have had running for three months. One of the two, which has NO other websites that link to it, comes up #1 on the Yahoo search engine when you enter XXXX as a search term. Try it--the name is "Food Replicator". A few days ago the two blogs came up #1 and #2 on Yahoo, then one disappeared somewhere. So, if some Scientologist out there anywhere in the world one day casually enters some Scn term into a search engine, like "genetic entity", just wondering what will come up, he could find out: 1. Someone is into the subject enough to have a blog called "Genetic Entity" 2. There are people who deliver Scn tech outside of the C of S 3. There's a link he can click on or a name and e-mail address to write to in order to find out more. I am not targetting regular CofS people. They are probably too scared to look at anything remotely having to do with Scn on the Net. Does that make more sense now? Blogspot is pretty well done now for regular Scn terms. Last time I checked, Blogdrive was wide, wide open. I could use some help doing a similar thing on Blogdrive. One is only allowed one account with up to ten free blogs on http://www.blogdrive.com and I have used up my quota. It would be a good idea to use the same wording as I used, but you don't have to. The names that are important are the ones that a Scientologist might put into a search engine. {/PLAIN} All the best, Paul






Message 108 Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:11:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: Re: [fzaoint] Re: Auditors & C/Ss. To: fzaoint@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX> wrote: > Yeh, they often tried to get away with whatever they could. And not > giving someone of your class was one way. I'm sure you noticed a > difference from someone not a BC grad. It's policy and should always > be enforced, but like you've mentioned, it wasn't. > > XXXX {PLAIN} Would you please just hat me on which policy says that an auditor must be audited by someone of the same or higher class? I know the HCOB about the auditor's case level (Auditor Assignment Policies etc.); and I seem to remember a policy about an auditor must be comm-eved by someone of equal class, but this one I must have forgotten about. {/PLAIN} All the best, Paul






Message 109 Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:40:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: Re: [fzaoint] Re: Freezone Blogs with Scn Terms To: fzaoint@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX wrote: > I've got these: > > www.book1auditor.blogdrive.com > www.book1.blogdrive.com > www.engrams.blogdrive.com > www.in-session.blogdrive.com > www.on-source.blogdrive.com > www.reactive-mind.blogdrive.com > www.2nd-dynamic.blogdrive.com > www.serfac.blogdrive.com > www.thetan.blogdrive.com > www.tone40.blogdrive.com > > How are we doing? > > XXXX {PLAIN} That's excellent, XXXX. Thanks very much. I have about 750 so far on Blogspot, and 10 on Blogdrive. I don't think many are being done for Blogdrive because no-one is mentioning it, and also the following on Blogdrive aren't taken yet: standardauditor standardauditing in-tech intech onsource auditing auditor training standardtraining It's not like I had to hunt for these--these are the first ones I checked and they were available still. It is important to name the blog exactly the same as the URL name. Why? Because it seems that the search engines consider that if you type in the search term "prongle", then a blog called "Prongle" located at prongle.blogdrive.com could reasonably be expected to be a good match, and so it will come up at or very near the top of the hits, irrespective of how many important sites link to it. The reason for using Scn terms is the target is one of the hundreds of thousands of people out there who have had some contact with Dn or Scn and have some residual interest but got put off by the C of S. When such a person casually enters "boil-off" into Google or Yahoo to see if modern science has found out about it yet, if there is a blog called "Boil-off" located at http://boil-off.blogspot.com, it is likely to be at or very near the top of the results. Such a person can then see that: 1. Oh look, there's a whole site devoted to that single subject; 2. He can get the tech outside of the CofS; 3. There's a website and e-mail address for more info. For some mass on this, pick a Scn term xyz and check out xyz.blogspot.com. If it's important and I missed it, please either grab it yourself or e-mail me privately about it and I'll grab it. Thanks, all. {/PLAIN} Paul






Message 110 Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:24:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: Re: [fzaoint] Re: Getting a refund To: fzaoint@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX wrote: > requesting. Many people get confused with the difference in a refund > for services rendered and a refund of money on account. What I'm {PLAIN} The magic words for Treasury-type people are "repayment" for unused funds and "refund" when you've taken the service. They consider getting money back for either to be a suppressive act. {/PLAIN} Paul






Message 111 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 01:32:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: Re: [fzaoint] Re: Getting a refund To: fzaoint@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX wrote: > Yes, they do consider it that way, but then, that isn't Policy.:) > > XXXX {PLAIN} Isn't it? I thought they were both considered to be suppressive acts as covered in that PL that lists out all the high crimes. I don't have an OEC Vol 1 available to me, but it's a 1965 PL called "Suppressive Acts, Suppression of Scientology and Scientologists" or something like that. It's about 15 pages long and has been revised oodles of times and probably labels farting in the same room as an executive a suppressive act now. But if no-one has a copy anywhere it's not a problem. It's easy enough for someone going to the org to get a repayment to look it up in the Ethics Office or at the Chaplain or in Qual. {/PLAIN} Paul






Message 112 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:32:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: Re: [fzaoint] Re: Getting a refund To: fzaoint@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX wrote: > You get expelled. But I also asked this of IJC. WHen you are expelled > > you are automatically declared as well. So one begets the other. {PLAIN} Expulsion and declaration are not the same thing, but the difference between the two is not very clear. Being expelled is worse than being declared. You might think IJC is the last word in authority on the difference, but when I was supervising staff courses I remember having a discussion with the then-IJC about references showing the differences, as he was confused about it. And that IJC was a *very* smart person. It was the only thing he ever queried with me. I don't know who is holding the post now. It might be someone who is a real expert, and it might not be. As an example, after David Gaiman got declared in the early 80s he was on lines at Saint Hill doing his Student Hat as part of his A-E. I have seen several pairs of ethics orders, the first one declaring a person, the second one months later saying how the person didn't come to their senses but instead all this other bad stuff had come to light, and so now...drum-roll in the crisp dawn air...the taunts of the ragged throng as the groaning wheels of the tumbrel draw up... a weary Madame la Guillotine quivers once again ... and THUD! Banished for eternity. Or something like that. {/PLAIN} P.






Message 113 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:57:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" Subject: RE: [fzaoint] Re: Web & Auditing. To: fzaoint@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX wrote: > Paul, > > I pray you to then tell me when it changed from a 12 1/2 hour > intensive to > 25. It started off at 25. Now it's 12.5. Tech Dict says 12.5 or 25, dated Dec 71. I don't have an OEC Vol 4 to look it up in--maybe someone could look in the index for policies with "intensive" in the name (duh). I suspect it changed over a period depending on the style of auditing being delivered, as it stopped being possible to keep someone being audited for 5 hours a day. Easy enough on R3R, but not on quickie grades. Maybe the death knell was a stats issue, but that's just a complete stab in the dark. P.






Message 114 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 19:03:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" Subject: TT's doomed IC2 To: fzaoint@yahoogroups.com Has anyone heard anything about any changes on this in the past week? If the esteemed Mr. T is continuing with it undaunted, I'll take the next step. P.






Message 115 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 21:06:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: Re: [ifachat] Re: Global Network To: ifachat@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX wrote: > I haven't heard anything on the opening of the building for a few > events, and I haven't gone to anything since the March 15th event > this year, so I don't know the latest. I heard about a year ago that There's a current thread on a.r.s. entitled "SP Building construction suspended." It's often a toss-up on ars as to whether you are reading true information, or careless misinformation, or deliberate disinformation. But it would seem that construction has been halted for several months. If anyone is really concerned they could telephone Flag and find out. The person you speak to would probably tell the truth if it had stopped. It would be interesting to see what they say in response to, "When's it going to open, then?" But I'm not going to call. Paul






Message 116 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:03:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: Re: [ifachat] Re: Reply walk. To: ifachat@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX wrote: > > >I know getting the weight down will help a lot. I just posted on I've lost about 25 lb. over the last few months, without going to any extremes of anything. Well, it could be considered extreme, but what I mean is that there is no stress involved. I don't get any more exercise than I used to, which isn't enough and it isn't very much. My weight has been constant for several weeks, so it isn't just a low point being held there by strenuous effort and likely to relapse at any moment. I try and follow the principles of food combining, like not mixing food groups such as proteins and carbs, unless they occur naturally in a single food. There's a great book called "The Food Combining Bible" that I read through, but I haven't opened it up in the past six months. I violate it with a few chocolate biscuits a day too. Horrors. I've been eating fruit for most of the day, with one meal a day of something else, usually protein-based, that I usually have. I've really grown to love the fruit. I don't scoff down large quantities of it, just a few pieces a day. I eat maybe half of what I did six months ago. The terrible thing about "a diet" is when you come off it, with a sigh of relief, there's a tendency to remedy the lack of havingness from "no food" and put all the weight back on again. And there is also this other factor. Most people probably look at what I write as a mixture of sensible stuff that can be readily agreed to; and then there is the weird stuff that can only indicate I'm a real wack-job, and it's more comfortable to just ignore that side of it. Having given the wacko disclaimer, for a couple of months I was also substituting electronic food for regular food for maybe one meal a day. The electronic food (see http://foodreplicator.blogspot.com for details--go back to the first two posts) satisfied any hunger pangs, and I don't know exactly how much of a substitute for real food it is but it does seem to be a painless way of losing weight if done in moderation--say a substitution for one meal a day. I haven't taken any electronic food for a week or so now, but I still don't feel any urge to eat what I used to before. I'm not selling anything--you can build your own device for a couple of bucks and make up your own electronic food at no cost. Just a suggestion you won't hear anywhere else! OK, back to normality, you can breathe again. All the best, Paul






Message 117 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:07:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" Subject: Re: [FreezoneOrg] New website up all ready! To: FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX wrote: > --- XXXX wrote: > > Nice, but the picture didn't load. > > > > Generally I like the concept. > > > > XXXX > > I believe their are technical problems re the > pictures. Pauls asleep so can't say more right now. > > XXXX I'm here now. What won't load? I pretty much stole the entire FZAOINT website, but left their logo and some photos behind as the nice but small free hosting service I am currently using restricts one to fifty files only. It's only temporary as it's kinda funky to just steal another's work outright like this, even if it is in a good cause. Maybe I'll just stick bb's terrible photo there for now instead of a logo. I don't mean bb is terrible, but the fuzzy photo is. The FZAOINT belongs to Ralph and Nick. There is an FZAOINT logo on each page of their website. It would be ridiculous for each group to adopt a "We're the true FZAOINT--you're an imposter" stance, so this other lot over here is logo-less. The name it is under is "FZ International". Why? I needed a name to convey the concept of a group of global interest and reach and the domain name of www.fzinternational.org was available. Ralph has "FZInt" and a kinda prior claim to the name, but he doesn't use "FZ International". His global-reach organizational name is FZAOINT. So I figured we might as well use it. There's also a "FZ International" Yahoo group registered with the name fzinternational. "FZ Planetary" is probably still available if there are any other armchair megolomaniacs out there who dream of taking over the world from their home computer. On a personal note, I am not "taking sides" of "bb's group" versus "Ralph's and Nick's group". Today I am helping bb, but not against FZAOINT. Similarly, tomorrow I might help Ralph and Nick, but not against bb, or any other FZ member. It could be that there are real SP's--repeatedly and over a long period of time exhibiting many more anti-social characteristics than social ones--actively at work in the FZ, but if so I don't know who any of them are. Similarly I'm not "against the Church" either. I don't mean I am going to go and work with them tomorrow. But there again, if they started out a sensible program to resurrect field auditors, and dropped the GAT crap, and allowed them to charge sensible prices and all the other famously silly things got taken care of, and they said, "Hey--we need someone like you with your connections and we don't care who you talk to or what you've done--wanna help us clear a planet?", you never know. It's not that I'm too theetie-weetie to be against anyone or anything. It's that in the game I'm currently playing, it seems pretty much everyone is on the same side, but some haven't realized it yet. Paul






Message 118 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:43:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: Re: [ifachat] FZ Flame To: ifachat@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX wrote: > It can, and will, depending on what people focus their attention on > or are willing to create. One gets what one puts one's attention on, > so put attention on theta comm. Pass along theta comm. and cut > entheta lines. Take a look at columns K and L of the Chart of Human > Evaluation and decide where you want to be on it, and then do those > actions. The result will be an unenturbulated group with > unenturbulated members. And then perhaps ARC will build bridges > again. > > ML, > XXXX The man speaks sooth. I set up two groups for one of my little non-Scientology projects. The one called "XXX" is devoted to mainly positive comments about XXX and YYY; and the one called "YYY Sucks" is devoted to mainly negative comments about XXX and YYY. I figured that some people would find it too hard to pull themselves up to communicating at 3.5 or above, so at least I would give them somewhere to moan and bicker that I could control. Everyone has to crap sometimes, some more than others. But normally one discourages crapping in the sitting room while providing an appropriate place elsewhere to do so. Accordingly there is now an "FZ Flame" Yahoo group. Anyone can join. If you want to rant about someone or something, feel free to post it there. No-one will complain. FZ Flame is now the designated place for all the crap. Feel free to refer anyone there. As in, "Hey guys--take it to FZ Flame". This isn't a joke or a euphemism. The "Hey guys--take it to FZ Flame" is not meant to mean, "Shut the hell up". It means, "It's OK for you to talk like that, but it is not appropriate to do it here, so please go to the place where it is appropriate and totally acceptable and when you feel up to coming back here you will be very welcome again." Subscribe by sending an e-mail to fzflame-subscribe@yahoogroups.com or visit the group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fzflame . Have fun! Paul






Message 119 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:51:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: Welcome! To: fzflame@yahoogroups.com This FZ Flame group was born out of an annoyance at a civilized FZ discussion list being disrupted every now and then by entheta. Everyone has to crap sometimes, some more than others. But normally one discourages crapping in the sitting room while providing an appropriate place elsewhere to do so. Accordingly there is now an "FZ Flame" Yahoo group. Anyone can join. If you want to rant about someone or something, feel free to post it there. No-one will complain. FZ Flame is now the designated place for all the crap. Feel free to refer anyone there. As in, "Hey guys--take it to FZ Flame". This isn't a joke or a euphemism. The "Hey guys--take it to FZ Flame" is not meant to mean, "Shut the hell up". It means, "It's OK for you to talk like that, but it is not appropriate to do it here, so please go to the place where it is appropriate and totally acceptable and when you feel up to coming back here you will be very welcome again." Subscribe by sending an e-mail to fzflame-subscribe@yahoogroups.com or visit the group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fzflame . Have fun! Paul






Message 120 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:03:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: Re: [ifachat] Re: Wacko - Electronic food. To: ifachat@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX wrote: > I don't think you are wacko. I do think that you need some more info. > I > went to the site and what is described is Colloidal silver. No it isn't. Read it again. If you wish a further discussion, please e-mail me privately as it doesn't belong on this list. Paul






Message 121 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:25:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" Subject: Re: [ifachat] BB rich friend reply To: ifachat@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX wrote: > > Must have been something you guys cooked up, as there was > never any policy of disconnection when I was ED, and there is still > no policy of disconnection on the ICAUSE list. Hmmm. I got booted off the ICAUSE list a week or so ago and I hadn't even posted once on it. Does this mean I am welcome back now? Paul






Message 122 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:06:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: Re: [FreezoneOrg] New website up all ready! To: FreezoneOrg@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX wrote: > > The look of the two websites is too similar. > > My proposal is to use pages of my own personal > website, specially as front page. > > http/www.my-freezone.org > > With slight modification. If we can expand bandwidth > by paying I can do that. I'd like to put my paintings > there and the picture backgrounds. I'd like your > poems there. I really dig aesthetics. Others can > submit things. OK, no problem. The site appearance is just a straight rip-off as it would habve taken too long to start completely from scratch. > Possibly a new site with a more distinctive name? New sites are a breeze. Distinctive names aren't difficult--we could call it "Pink Walrus Testicles" for instance. The problem is that a sensible name has to accurately convey the scope of the activity for it to succeed at our level of endeavor. If you have a mega-advertising budget, you can start with a name that means nothing in any language on Earth, like "Kodak", and it may work out just fine. Everyone now knows what Kodak does, or they did. It is positioning tech. That little book by Ries and Trout, "Positioning--the Battle for Your Mind" is fascinating, and dynamite. Virtually everyone with any degree of money to spend on advertising today uses positioning, most very badly indeed. Usually the product being advertised is positioned *with* (not as fancy as above, or below, or against etc.) an item considered desirable, whether it is appropriate or in the same field or not. The ads don't communicate as the disharmonies clash. Millions of advertising dollars down the toilet. If anyone can come up with a short, distinctive name that immediately conveys to anyone with rudimentary knowledge about tech outside the CofS the idea of a pan-determined organization within the Freezone that is primarily concerned with FZ activity world-wide, then I'm all ears. > Presumably this can be done in less of a rush whilst > what we have is up? Quite. I hadn't intended becoming a full-time webmaster. > Alex happy to have her beautiful face there? Hell, I don't know. I hate this polarization game. Can't she be on both? If she wants off I'll take her off in a trice. > Can I now direct people to this site from promo on > ARS etc? Hmmm. Dunno. You have to send them somewhere. But it's usually a bad idea to send new people to a site that is under construction and a real mess. It is off-putting. One tends to think that a group that can't even have an acceptable website is not worth dealing with, on the Internet anyway. The old-timers will readily put up with the overhaul or facelift, but not new people. Could you send them somewhere else for now? Even fzaoint? Or have them just e-mail you? Paul






Message 123 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:11:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: Re: [ifachat] Re: FZ Flame To: ifachat@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX wrote: > > Subscribe by sending an e-mail to fzflame-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > or > > visit the group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fzflame . > > > > Have fun! > > > > Paul > > > Lol. Paul, you beat me to it. I was about to set up such a group for > the same reasons as you mention. But thank you for doing it. I'm sure > > it will serve a useful purpose and will be a plasce of enjoyment for > some at some time. > > Cheers, > XXXX Sure. I'm not above posting there myself sometimes. I've already posted there, in fact. Paul






Message 124 From: Paul Adams Date: Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:11 pm Subject: Re: [freezoneaoint] Course Supervision and Misunderstoods --- Roland Aldridge wrote: > Hi XXXX, > > Please read the many posts carefully. Nobody is > saying that w/cing doesn't work. What we are saying > is that mis-applied wordclearing doesn't!!! > > Paul never found that M-4 was much use: this was > because it wasn't appropriate to use, very often, and > simply didn't do something it was never going to do > anyway. What did work was M-3, because it was the > right method to use most of the time in his > experience. > > I posted that M-4's in particular done for form's sake > are a pure waste of time, as indeed they are. I also > posted that M-4's done correctly when they are needed > give absolutely wonderful results. > > What the tech people on this list are mostly trying to > do is to get real about it all. Starry eyed > "everything is perfect, just apply KSW1 and all will > be well" doesn't cut it. Applying the tech correctly > is part of KSW1!!! when you don't, it doesn't work. > Paul in particular was pointing out how not to apply > tech incorrectly, and how to apply it correctly. That > is how to read his posts. > > Roland Thank you. Well said. Paul






Message 125 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:38:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: Re: [fzaoint] Re: Freezone Blogs To: fzaoint@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX wrote: > What's the point if there are not links to sites > where people can get > in touch with freezone tech? The point is to get a whole bunch of blog sites set up now, and then make them fully functional later. Make up a site now using a valuable address and you "reserve" that address. If you spend an hour now making one perfect, you use up 55 minutes you could have spent reserving another dozen or so others. There's no hurry to reserve "dianeticaxiom87.blogspot.com" as it's not a valuable address. http://in-tech.blogspot.com is. Paul






Message 126 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:39:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: RE: [fzaoint] Freezone Blogs To: fzaoint@yahoogroups.com Just in case you were thinking we only had a few, here's a list of blogger sites done. I have another 90 that are in place but need tidying up and are not listed below, but I want to go to bed soon. In case you think these sites will disappear into some search engine black hole, listen up. I have a couple of blogs I have been running for about three months, at http://foodreplicator.blogspot.com and http://foodreplicator.blogdrive.com . The domain name http://www.foodreplicator.com forwards into the blogspot blog. The title of each blog is "Food Replicator". I chose the name because it is appropriate to what the blogs are about, which is a device I designed that is somewhat similar to the famous "Star Trek" food replicator, although it is a real world device and not a fictional one. I just checked and the search term "food replicator" gives no hits on the first five screens for Google, but the blogdrive blog is the #1 hit on Yahoo and the blogspot one doesn't appear in the first five screens. So it could just be that if you have a blog called "Positive Postulates" and it is hosted at positivepostulates.blogspot.com, then in a few months time someone searching in a search engine for "positive postulates" might turn up our FZ blog at the #1 hit. Pretty nifty, huh? So keep on registering the sites, please. I can't do them all. 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Message 127 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:31:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" Subject: Re: [ifachat] BB rich friend reply To: ifachat@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX wrote: > > If I can recall their ground rules correctly, failure to post over a > certain time period is grounds for removal. Me? Failing to post?! I was only on there about 24 hours. Paul






Message 128 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:37:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: Re: [fzflame] Flame, discontent and op-terming To: fzflame@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX wrote: > > Way cool! > Now there is somewhere that uninhibited > use of the above is OK. One can Slash and bash, > flame and slay. Perhaps one might charge people > who come here and make a profit? Proceeds to > favorite charity as usual. :) Right the fuck on, man! We'll have to invent some charities though. How about "Spineless lurkers anonymous"? P.






Message 129 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:39:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: Re: [ifachat] Re: FZ Flame To: ifachat@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX wrote: > Who'd ya dis? > > Oh, that's right. Can't say anything negative HERE. Go see. bb and I have just started to have some fun there. Paul






Message 130 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:16:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: Re: [ifachat] Re: BB rich friend reply To: ifachat@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX wrote: > --- In ifachat@yahoogroups.com, Paul Adams wrote: > > --- XXXX wrote: > > > > > > Must have been something you guys cooked up, as there was > > > never any policy of disconnection when I was ED, and there is > still > > > no policy of disconnection on the ICAUSE list. > > > > Hmmm. I got booted off the ICAUSE list a week or so ago and I > hadn't > > even posted once on it. Does this mean I am welcome back now? > > Thats why you got booted, I go through the list and > periodically remove people on moderated status who have not posted. > > ICAUSE has a wide open front and rear door. > > It has nothing to do with disconection as a policy. It does > have to do with removing dead wood. I e-mailed my response to your moderator questionnaire at 8AM on Saturday 5/29, two weeks ago. You let me into the ICAUSE group sometime on Saturday, afternoon I believe. I started reading about IC2 around 10 PM, and posted a damning critique of it to the OT List at 4 AM on 5/30, some six hours later. At 4 PM Monday 5/31, I posted an e-mail saying I had been bounced from the ICAUSE list. It seemed and seems likely to me that I had been bounced for being critical of IC2 in another forum. But your position is very clear and I'm not going to flog a dead horse over it. Paul






Message 131 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:42:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: Re: [fzflame] Re: Flaming To: fzflame@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX wrote: > Goddam it why are you so fucking stupid.... > > There I said it. By Jove I needed that. > > What a wonderful idea, Paul - I love it. Thank you XXXX. Nice to have you around. Since we have some sensible people here, I just want to have a little discussion about this group before it gets going. We might as well do it here as anywhere else. bb and I were/are just having a bit of fun. Maybe there is some underlying charge that it is good to vent a bit, but it's not like it's a full-blown dramatization of anything. If someone unloads a load of crap at me, in person or by e-mail, even directed at me, I usually just apply a good-roads type handling, acking anything at 3.5 or above and ignoring the rest. After a while, short or long, they calm down, usually apologize, and everything is fine. I don't harbor grudges against anyone as it is me that suffers by hanging on to all the entheta, not the other guy. Besides, revenge isn't the greatest of motives. But if Person A unloads a lot of ad hominem crap against Person B in this forum; and Person B gets restimmed and fires back with even more crap against Person A; does anything good ever come out of such a situation? Would it be better to at least make the archives unavailable, or even keep them deleted so you can't go back and see what crap Georgie said about Eleanor four years ago when you want to dig up some dirt on perfectly respectable Georgie now? Any ideas? Paul






Message 132 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:28:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Adams" View Contact Details Subject: Re: [fzflame] Re: Flaming To: fzflame@yahoogroups.com --- XXXX wrote: > Yes, I think so. Let it die instantly, or perhaps > automatically prefix and postfix every message with > "The following (preceding) is known to be bullshit. > Read at your own risk." You completely missed the point, you stupid motherfucker. :) Some of us can just do this for fun, like now. But the intention of this list was quite serious on my part, somewhere for a person to let off steam, and if the target of the person's ire is also on this list then there may be some snapping terminals occurring. On a normal list one can just tell the people to go off list and they either e-mail the crap to each other or forget about it. I don't really want this list to develop into a place where two people can just stand there and sling mud at each other, each getting more and more enturbulated. Maybe I'll just let things happen as they happen and see what turns up. I can always send them on to ars as a last resort! OK, thanks for listening. I won't worry about it until it happens. P.





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